HOMEBREW Digest #1355 Tue 22 February 1994

Digest #1354 Digest #1356


	FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
		Rob Gardner, Digest Janitor


Contents:
  Cajun Cookers (COYOTE)
  Cutting the noise--Suggestion #94857684 (Jeff Frane)
  AA Variation / Noise (npyle)
  Quest for German Malty flavor/ decoction (Lee=A.=Menegoni)
  Kraeusen - To remove or not? (BUKOFSKY)
  Grassy, hay-like flavor (Domenick Venezia)
  first mead (SPEAKER.CURTIS)
  re:REcipe Newcastle Brown ("Phil Atkinson")
  Petes Ale Clone (CCAC-LAD) <wboyle at PICA.ARMY.MIL>
  request for yeast data ("Ron Hart")
  Wyeast 2308 Munich (ELQ1)
  On IBU Formulas (re: Jeff Frane) (Mark Garetz)
  Leaking CO2 Regulator (Tim Schramm) (Tim Schramm)
  Gas H2O burner, SideXSide fridge, stove grate advice needed. Epoxy update. (Richard Dante)
  Reinheitsgebot ("Dan Z. Johnson")
  Rice Adjunct (Christopher Alan Strickland)
  Leaking CO2 Regulator (Tim Schramm) (Tim Schramm)
  Mashing in 5 Gal IGLOO Cooler (k.reigle)
  Wheat Crud (Lowell Hart)
  Re: Blackberry Stout (Conn Copas)
  Bottle Priming (Jim King)
  all grain instructions (James Clark)
  Amber Alt Yeast/recipies???????? (Jeremy Wood)
  Advice Needed ("Andrew C. Winner")
  Addition to homebrew digest... (603)429-8553 - BESSETTE at UICC.COM" <bessette at uicc.com>
  Re: Metals (Conn Copas)
  Ginger juice ("Daniel F McConnell")
  N.E. Brepubs (aew)
  BOSTON COMPETITION (JIM MCNUTT)
  Rebottling (Spencer.W.Thomas)
  lauter kegs??/double decoction?? (RON)
  backpack brew and extract descriptions (Eugene Sonn)
  Commercial Kolsch (Keith A. MacNeal HLO1-1/T09 DTN 225-6171  21-Feb-1994 1226)
  Oxygen Absorbing Caps (npyle)
  Differents Tastes from Same Batch (Christopher Alan Strickland)
  What makes Guinness Creamy? (David M. Berman)
  Autoclaving starters (GNT_TOX_)
  New Jersey Homebrewing Club ("Ron Hart")
  high fg stout (Shelton M. Hendricks)

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 10:13:54 -0600 (MDT) From: COYOTE <SLK6P at cc.usu.edu> Subject: Cajun Cookers Ok, I know this will never make it in time, but I gotta try! There's a place in my little happy valley selling a "Cache Cooker" two burner propane stove, the cask black metal dealios, with 24" extension legs. I checked it out. The model is something like SBL20 ??? The burners are rated a 60,000 btu. So...I've heard that the burners range from 30,000- 200,000 with the 200-ers being jet engines, leaving NO control over temp. I figure- it ain't the bottom of the line. Question is: Will it get my 15 gal pot to a rolling boil in a reasonalbe amount of time (30min?) I have an electric stove upstairs which I'm taxing the hell out of. (weight, excess running of the heat coils!) And I'm hoping to move all my brewing to the basement. For one thing- I'll be able to spill on the floor, and just let it run down the drain, plus I won't have to carry 6.5 gal carboys down two flights of stairs, outside thru the snow to lager in the basement! Ok- the good news: This baby is Krazy Daze prices at 68.97 (sugg.retail $135!) So I'm thinking I should jump on it. It's semi portable and could be set up in a garage, when I get one with plumbing and heat! But in the meantime I'd like to run it in the basement next to a window with a fan blowing out. That should be ok- ventilation wise??? Shudn't it? Also (finally) I have a camper, with a propane tank. It is held sideways but it can be removed. Is presume the fitting is the same as the BBQ tanks, and that I can run the camp stove with it, as long as I rest it sideways- right? I'm getting really psyched about this. Really making the basement into a brewery! Pico- man - think pico! FYI: Not all 220 volt plugs are created equal. We put an electric stove down there, but it turns out the dryer's 220 plug is rated for 30 Amps, while stoves need 50 amps, so we'd have to replace all the wiring! Now I've got an alternative! Please e-mail me if you've got any suggestions/thoughts...The sale starts monday, and I'm gonna go for it, unless someone talks me out of it! -/-\- John (The Coyote) Wyllie SLK6P at cc.usu.edu -/-\- Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 07:21:43 -0800 (PST) From: gummitch at teleport.com (Jeff Frane) Subject: Cutting the noise--Suggestion #94857684 Please pare your .sig files! One fellow tried to unsubscribe (incorrectly) and posted a .sig about 30 lines long. Any number of people are posting with .sigs about 12-15 lines long. Grab yer egos by the scruff and give 'em a shake, boys! One-two lines really ought to do it. - --Jeff Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 11:00:17 MST From: npyle at n33.stortek.com Subject: AA Variation / Noise The variations in hop alpha acid percentages (discussed by Jeff Frane and Glenn Tinseth) may explain why Dave Miller takes such a swipe at Rager's IBU utilization tables in the latest Brewing Techniques. In his column, Miller presents a couple of examples to show how far off the numbers appear to be. Even at microbrewery scales of production, I would think it is likely that the errors in the AA% are enough to cause some variability. It makes me wonder how many different batches of DM's example beers were tested, i.e. has he worked out the variability in his own brewery? ** Cathy Cullen's comments, and all other debate about discrimination, sexism, etc. etc. etc. belong in private email. This is way out of hand, and really has nothing to do with brewing. Oh yeah, MHO. Norm Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 11:36:12 EST From: Lee=A.=Menegoni at nectech.com Subject: Quest for German Malty flavor/ decoction RE: Malty flavor and Decoctions. I have been striving to attain the "malty" flavor and aroma found in German beers like Spaten Ur Marzen. I seem to be getting closer but still aren't there yet. The "improvements" I have made to my process are: Use German malts: They have more of the the precursor in them that produces this flavor than most other maalts including the DC Belgian malts. See George Fix's article on Belgian Grains in one of the early addition of Brewing Techniques for detailed technical data. Decoction mash: The process of decoction mashing will transform the above mentioned precursors into the melanodins that produce the "malty" characteristic. All this is fine in theory. I tasted the best home brewed Ofest I have had this fall. It was infusion mashed, made from 100% german Vienna malt with a tiny fraction of crystal for color. It was fermented with Wyeast 2308. It had the "malty" profile I was looking for. I recently brewed a beer using a similar recipe did two decoctions, about 75% of the grist, but used Wyeast 2124 aka Weihenstephen 34/70. It was good but not great. I plan on brewing this recipe again. Next time I will use the 2308 Munich yeast and pay closer attention to the water chemistry with attention to that in Munich. I am beginning to suspect that, just as is the case with wheat beers, to get the German flavor and aroma its not just the malt and hops but the yeast and water are equaly important too. Lee Menegni Lmenegoni at nectech.com Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 13:03:37 -0400 (EST) From: BUKOFSKY <sjb8052 at minerva.cis.yale.edu> Subject: Kraeusen - To remove or not? Hello all, First of all, I wanted to thank everyone for quick and helpful responses to my last few questions. I know there has been a lot of talk about the quality of this digest, but as a relative newcomer I think it's great. Anyway, I'd like to hear peoples opinions on whether to ferment with a blow-off hose or not. The question of removing or keeping the kraeusen seems to be an old one; does it really affect the flavor of the beer that much? I've heard a bit about fusel alcohols and such, but I've never heard a definative answer. Any info would be helpful. Thanks, Scott No cute comment. Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 10:20:17 -0800 (PST) From: Domenick Venezia <venezia at ZGI.COM> Subject: Grassy, hay-like flavor My last all-grain batch, an ESB dry hopped 4 days with 1oz/5gal Kent Goldings, has a grassy haylike flavor tone. One opinion is that I scorched the wort, but there was no scorching on the bottom of the brew kettle, and I don't perceive the flavor as burnt. Any ideas? 2 hour mash at 157-153, no mashout, OG: 1.056, FG 1.010, 8.5lbs Maris Otter, 8oz each of flaked maize, crystal, cara-pils. Sparged cloudy (Nurse! Nurse! More patience, please), brew is cloudy too. Domenick Venezia ZymoGenetics, Inc. Seattle, WA venezia at zgi.com Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 13:25 EST From: CSS2 at OAS.PSU.EDU (SPEAKER.CURTIS) Subject: first mead Hi: Having successfully made two batches of beer, I decided to try my hand at a batch of mead last saturday. Recipe is as follows: 2.5 gal. water 5 lb. light honey 1 tsp. yeast nutrient 2 tsp. acid blend one 5g. pack Red Star Pasteur Champagne yeast The whole mess is bubbling away in my 3 gal. carboy...BUT, have a couple of questions for the experienced mead-makers out there... Any guess as to how long to ferment this (temp. is currently about 65F in the house)? How long do I let it go if I want sparkling mead (ie. bottling with a little priming sugar) vs. how long to ferment completely? Will it clear completely? Would it be better to cap this or cork the bottles (I have about a dozen Chimey bottles I was thinking of using). Thanks in advance for any advice...please reply directly to me, or to HBD Curt Speaker css2 at oas.psu.edu Penn State Univ. Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 11:47:03 PST From: "Phil Atkinson" <PHATKINS at BCSC02.GOV.BC.CA> Subject: re:REcipe Newcastle Brown To: HOMEBR1 --INTERNET homebrew at hpfcmi.fc The Broon is made by blending Newcastle Amber with another ale that never comes through the brewery gate except in workers' lunchboxes maybe. I think Dave Line's recipe certainly gets you close but the real thing has more of a biere de garde tone to my taste buds. Newcastle United's football stadium stands within whiffing distance of the brewery and night games are often bathed in the glorious aroma of malt and hops ... what bliss! Incidentally, the draught version of this ale (sold here in Canada) is not a bit like the bottled version. Even that is noticably better when you get it in its city of origin. I have it on good authority that new batches never last more than a week in Newcastle. Understandable really. cheers - Phil Atlinson, Victoria, British Columbia - ------- Regards, Phil Atkinson F&CR, Communications Branch Phone: 387-9285 Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 15:26:11 EST From: William Boyle (CCAC-LAD) <wboyle at PICA.ARMY.MIL> Subject: Petes Ale Clone Does anybody have a clone that comes close to petes wicked ale, or even a direction I can go. I looked in Cats II, nothing. Thanks B^2 Return to table of contents
Date: 18 Feb 1994 17:40:19 U From: "Ron Hart" <hart at axon.rutgers.edu> Subject: request for yeast data Subject: Time:5:33 PM request for yeast data Date:2/18/94 I've been looking for a source of usable data for yeast growth and pitching rates. Most of us grow a specific volume of starter culture a certain length of time and then just pitch it, but does anyone have information about real #cells/5 gal for pitching? Or cells/ml during growth phases? Please respond by private e-mail. If anything interesting turns up, I'll share it. Thanks, Ron Hart (hart at axon.rutgers.edu) Rutgers University Newark NJ Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 16:43:05 PST From: ELQ1%Maint%HBPP at cts27.comp.pge.com Subject: Wyeast 2308 Munich Good Morning all you impeccable brewpeople, first, I'd like to say how I am thankful for the HBD, the good, the bad, and the ugly. tm. Now for a question, has anybody had any problems with Wyeast 2308 Munich? My neighbor and I have had very fresh dated yeast that has failed to rise in its pouch, and not just one or two times, a total of 6, two of which took 3 extra days to bloat, and did not produce a desired rate in the primary. I have written to Wyeast, and am awaiting their reply, if they bother, if not, they may lose a customer. So, on my last batch I pitched with Doric Amsterdam dry Lager yeast that is not a lager yeast at all, as it clearly is top fermenting. Oh how I kick myself for not saving the last yeast slurry from bottling. On one last note, I think the HBD is GREAT!, even the noise is tolerable and some folks, jerryb at aol.com have a great sense of humor.. In the words of a recent 15 minute celebrity, Can't we all get along? Ed Quier ELQ1 at PGE.COM Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 23:14:15 PST From: Mark Garetz <mgaretz at hoptech.com> Subject: On IBU Formulas (re: Jeff Frane) Jeff Frane asks about the accuracy of the AA% from sample-to-sample. Glenn Tinseth had a good explanation a few messages earlier. To summarize, the AA% are an average for a particular "lot" of hops and as Glenn and Jeff point out, there will be some variation from sample to sample. But also as Glenn points out the IBU calculations are subject to errors in themselves as they are really little more than educated guesses to get you "in the ballpark" for IBUs. In my book, I *will* have a fairly lengthy (but not difficult) formula that I think does a better job of getting a brewer in the ballpark. It is lengthy because it attempts to account for more of the variables in the brewing process. The simple formulas can be way off the farther the beer and brewing conditions are from "median" brewing styles. For a median beer style, the simple formulas and my lengthy one are likely to have about the same error percentages. But the more complicated formula should more or less keep the same percentage error as the beer moves away from median since the formula attempts to correct for the shift. The simpler formulas don't, so the errors will get larger. Bottom line: Even complicated formulas are nothing more than guesses. If your beer does not have the right bitterness and your hops came from a reputable source and have been stored and packaged properly, IT IS PROBABLY THE FAULT OF THE FORMULA, EVEN A COMPLICATED ONE. Dr. Michael Lewis and I were talking about this very subject today (it was a coincidence - I read the mail after I got back from UCD). He said that he is amazed that even microbrewers who don't get the bitterness they want usually systematically blame everything *but* the bitterness calculation. So if the formula (any formula) says you should get say 20% utilization but the beer was not bitter enough, you need to make your own adjustments to the formula (or it's result) until you get the beer right. Mark Return to table of contents
Date: 19 Feb 94 12:27:47 EST From: Tim Schramm <70401.1507 at CompuServe.COM> Subject: Leaking CO2 Regulator (Tim Schramm) About a year ago I bought a 5 lb CO2 dispensing set up from FOXX Equipment Co. (1-800-821-2254). I dispensed two or three cornelius kegs without any trouble. On the next keg, I found that the regulator was leaking CO2 around the diaphragm(?) and blowing out of a hole in the cover. On the advice of the beverage guy who refilled my CO2 tank I bought the standard Repair Kit for the regulator and replaced the innards. That worked for the next batch of beer. After an idle time of about six weeks I just put up another batch and I'm hearing that annoying hissss again. I'm going to buy another Repair kit because my Weisbier needs to be carbonated and enjoyed. But I'd rather not have to keep spending $12 in addition to a $7 refill each time I get more gas. I keep the CO2 in the refrigerator with the beer kegs. Is this the cause of my problem? Maybe the down time without pressure on the diaphragm while being in the refrigerator hurt the diaphram? Any advice on this subject would make this first time HBD poster one happy beer camper. TIA -Tim Schramm Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 94 10:52:19 PST From: rdante at icogsci1.UCSD.EDU (Richard Dante) Subject: Gas H2O burner, SideXSide fridge, stove grate advice needed. Epoxy update. HOT WATER HEATER BURNER. OBTAINING. PROPANE VS HOME NATURAL GAS. What's the easiest way to get a gas hot water element free? Anybody in San Diego have any luck getting an old hot water heater free from a local plumber? Last summer while housesitting for my parents, the hot water heater started leaking and I had to get them a new one. I got rid of the old one. A month later I brewed my first batch. 6 months later I wish I had my paws on that heater bottom and a hacksaw. :( -Is it easy to take the burner out of the heater? -Is it easy to convert the thing to LPG (liquid propane gas)? -Even better (unless I get a response of "NO! It's dangerous. Not recommended" responses I welcome if they're true) how about installing a T and a quick disconnect gas hose to the house natural gas line. There's two spots: The kitchen stove, and the garage water heater (and dryer lines). If any of you have done this I'd REALLY appreciate hearing from you about how you did it/How you would do it if you had to do it all over again. STOVE TOP GRATING ADVICE NEEDED In the meantime I'll be using my stove. I can fit the keg-kettle over two burners although the burner centers are close to the edges of kettle bottom. I can't quite put the heat on max or the flames lick the sides. The stove will get messed up if I put the kettle on the stock grates so I need to make something that will hold the kettle a little higher and protect things underneath a little better. I'm asking for suggestions. EPOXIED NIPPLES UPDATE In HBD 1353 I talked about how I used epoxy to bond a nipple to my keg hole. Although the epoxy is strong, heat resistant, and food grade it has one problem I've encountered so far: You can twist it off pretty easily. The instructions say it has an impact resistance of 0.5 ft-lbs which isn't much at all. I plan on using some vise grips with a cloth to hold the nipple whenever I take off the closest screw-ins (the external 1/2inch adapter) which shouldn't be very often. Other times I'll put a wrench on the adapter to hold it when I remove the ball-valve. If you haven't guess the epoxy un-bonded itself when I was applying twisting force. I think it will be fine as long as I leave the joint alone. When I KNOW this is the case I'll be sure to report back. If any of you want to try this, don't hesitate because the stuff comes off easy with a torch or by twisting the fitting with a wrench and then cracking the stuff off. GADGET MANIA In HBD 1353 Jeff Benjamin gave those of us planning (but hesitating) to go to all-grain an encouraging story by telling us that even the cheesy methods of his first all-grain batch made good brew. Thanks! Also he advised us to just jump in and worry about all the neat gadgets later. I want to second this advice. I'm a good example of somebody obsessing over the gadgetry instead of just brewing beer. Do as I say and not as I do. Get the equipment you need and get on with homebrew. OPINIONS ON SIDE BY SIDE LAGERING FRIDGES REQUESTED The opportunity has presented itself for me to obtain a 23 cu-ft side-by-side fridge for cheap (to make do until I can move that 22 cu-ft chest freezer 400 miles). Cheap as in $25. The owner thinks it needs a new freon charge because it cools fairly slow and that's why he's selling it cheap. Do any of you use side-by-sides for brewing an like them? Is it possible to maintain lager temps in the freezer and ale temps in the fridge (with the airstat sensor in the freezer). The advantages I see are the cheapness. Rick Dante rdante at ucsd.edu Return to table of contents
Date: 19 Feb 94 16:21:56 EST From: "Dan Z. Johnson" <75430.3532 at CompuServe.COM> Subject: Reinheitsgebot ReinheitsgebotReinheitsgebotReinheitsgebot. What's all this about Reinheitsgebot? It is law written to restrict brewing to the privilaged few. A tax law. And there are other countries in the world that make good beer without all the weird rules. Am I missing something? -Z Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 94 17:07:32 From: Christopher Alan Strickland <beach!chris at cocoa12.ksc.nasa.gov> Subject: Rice Adjunct I've seen several people talking about using a rice adjunct. I've also seen it in the homebrew store at about $3.75 a lb. Kinda of expensive when rice is .35 a lb. Is there a way to mash the rice you buy to use as the rice adjunct, if so, how? Also, what does beechwood really do for beer, in my last batch I put beechwood in the beer after steaming for over an hour to kill the bad stuff. No beechwood taste in the beer, it's a brown ale. Though it does seem clearer (I also used Irish Moss too). Return to table of contents
Date: 19 Feb 94 12:27:47 EST From: Tim Schramm <70401.1507 at CompuServe.COM> Subject: Leaking CO2 Regulator (Tim Schramm) About a year ago I bought a 5 lb CO2 dispensing set up from FOXX Equipment Co. (1-800-821-2254). I dispensed two or three cornelius kegs without any trouble. On the next keg, I found that the regulator was leaking CO2 around the diaphragm(?) and blowing out of a hole in the cover. On the advice of the beverage guy who refilled my CO2 tank I bought the standard Repair Kit for the regulator and replaced the innards. That worked for the next batch of beer. After an idle time of about six weeks I just put up another batch and I'm hearing that annoying hissss again. I'm going to buy another Repair kit because my Weisbier needs to be carbonated and enjoyed. But I'd rather not have to keep spending $12 in addition to a $7 refill each time I get more gas. I keep the CO2 in the refrigerator with the beer kegs. Is this the cause of my problem? Maybe the down time without pressure on the diaphragm while being in the refrigerator hurt the diaphram? Any advice on this subject would make this first time HBD poster one happy beer camper. TIA -Tim Schramm Return to table of contents
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 00:06:00 BST From: k.reigle at genie.geis.com Subject: Mashing in 5 Gal IGLOO Cooler Back in HBD 1334, Kelly Doran <rrc!earth!kelly at uu.psi.com> asked about using a 5 gallon IGLOO cooler for a mash tun: > 1.) When using a 5 gallon IGLOO cooler, how many pounds of grain will it > hold and still be able to maintain an exceptable water to grain ratio > for the mash? I've used the IGLOO 5-gallon cooler for 5 batches so far, using grain bills of 9 - 11 lbs. 11 lbs grain with associated water filled the cooler to within 1 inch to the top using a 1.5" high false bottom. My latest batch used 9 lbs grain and filled the cooler to the 4 gal mark (I used a PVC manifold this time). I don't remember how much water I used, since I did a combined infusion/decoction mash with protein rest. > 2.) How much will the temperature drop in 45 to 60 minutes using a single > infusion mash? I'm not sure...I must confess I don't watch the temperature as closely as I should. Because I didn't juggle appointments well enough, the last batch I did sat for 90-120 minutes and temp dropped from around 158 deg to around 150 deg. I hope these experiences help you in your decision :^) -Kurt Reigle Return to table of contents
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 02:28:24 -0800 From: Lowell Hart <lhart at CATI.CSUFresno.EDU> Subject: Wheat Crud YOW! I did my first mash with wheat malt last night, and wound up with the ugliest gray crud I've ever seen in a layer across the top of my mash/lauter cooler. Looks like the silt that runs off the streets into the storm drains during aheavy rain. It tasted sweet (this took courage) and my sparge water ran through OK, but I was not prepared for a mash tun with a petroleum tinge. I only had 22% wheat malt, and expected the cloudiness of the wort (which is already clearing in the carboy) and even knew the whole thing could turn into a glutinous mess. I did a protein rest,and a fairly low-temp saccrification rest, and got good extraction. So what's the deal with this layer of grunge? Lowell Hart San Joaquin WORThogs Raketenflugplatz, Fresno lhart at cati.CSUFresno.edu Return to table of contents
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 15:42:28 GMT From: Conn Copas <C.V.Copas at lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Blackberry Stout Christopher Alan Strickland asks about recipes for blackberry stout. I personally regard fruit (particularly berries) as a wonderful complement to the harshness of stouts. My favoured approach is to employ a high-quality cordial at _drinking_ time, as the fruit sweetness is part of the experience. OK, so some purists won't like that one. The next best thing is to go fruit picking in Autumn. As has been observed with other fruit beers, more is generally better (ie, at least 1 lb and up to 2 lbs per gall). Preferably add the fruit to the secondary in order to maximise flavour and volatiles. I do a rough sanitisation by soaking the _whole_ fruit in sulphite for 15 mins, then rinsing. 10 lbs of blackberries will add considerable acidity to the brew, which will give it a winey note. If you don't like that, be prepared to reduce the acidity with some chalk or bicarbonate solution (in an incremental fashion, of course). The most technically correct way to approach this is to get hold of a winemaking acid test kit, and titrate the acidity both prior to and after the addition of the fruit, in order to restore the acidity to its original level. Be aware that detecting end-point colour changes in stout is no simple matter! Also, reducing the acidity will simultaneously reduce the apparent fruit sensation, so be prepared to experiment to your own tastes. Any dry stout recipe will do, but some crystal malt sweetness is a good idea to compensate for the loss of fruit sweetness caused by the fermentation. Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 94 09:26:00 -0800 From: jim.king at kandy.com (Jim King) Subject: Bottle Priming Martin Snow writes: H>I've recently acquired a bunch of 0.5 liter bottles (16.9 oz) ... H>or will the usual (3/4 cup) corn sugar be ok. I regularly mix 12oz, 16oz, and 24oz bottles, and my standard 2/3 cup of corn sugar works fine for all sizes. I havn't noticed any carbonation difference between different bottles from the same batch. If you use a bottling want, it should create just the right amount of head space to absorb the pressure. 02/19/94 09:17 Jim King jim.king at kandy.com Return to table of contents
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 14:06:44 -0500 From: jeclark at bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (James Clark) Subject: all grain instructions hi, it seems people have been writing in the answers they received to questions they posted here, so i'll do the same: i asked about where i could find clear, concise instructions to all grain brewing. the overwhelming response was to buy Dave Miller's "The Complete Hnadbook of Home Brewing." i also got several responses saying that his second book, "Brewing the World's Great Beers," is good for the beginning all grain-er. thanks for all the replies - --james Return to table of contents
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 15:51:06 PST From: sloppy at hotcity.com (Jeremy Wood) Subject: Amber Alt Yeast/recipies???????? I was wondering if anyone knows of an alt yeast that takes like St. Stans microbrewery in Modesto CA??? Or for that matter if anyone had a recipe. If you've never tried the St. Stans Amber Alt your really missing out. Thanks, enjoy Return to table of contents
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 19:28:02 -0500 From: "Andrew C. Winner" <acwinner at wam.umd.edu> Subject: Advice Needed I've been reading HBD for several months, I figure I might try to help out those who are yearning for more brewing talk by asking a number of questions. First, I'm a novice extract brewer ( 3 brews with fellow brewers mostly as an observer, one pale ale brewed and drunk, a German Alt in the bottle). Siphoning from carboys: I racked my alt from a plastic pail to a glass carboy after 9 days. My problem came when I tried to siphon from the carboy into the bottling bucket. I could not use the Papazian method of a hose full of water (can't fit the hose with thumb over end into the carboy neck). Is the only option to gargle with Baccardi 151 and hope for the best or am I missing some relatively easy solution for mouth-bacteria-free siphoning? Alt Lagering: At the moment, the alt is sitting quietly in the dark in the basement at around 64F (in bottles). Should this beer be in a fridge? What are the benefits (I used Wyeast #1007 ale yeast)? Is it necessary to get close to the style of beer I am trying to replicate? AHA Competition: (I know, I know, pretty plucky for a novice extract brewer, but...) If one enters such a competition (by mail), does one get back the judges scorecards and remarks? This is the only reason I am considering entering -- I need some real homebrew experts to give me some further guidance. My friends (and I) liked the first batch, but I'm striving for excellence and it would be useful to have some feedback from those who have more experience. Kolsh Recipes: Someone requested Kolsh recipes a few HBD's back. One all-grain was posted. Were any extract-based ones sent around? If so, would someone please send them along to me? (the interest in Alt and Kolsh stems from a trip in October to the Koln and Dusseldorf areas). Thanks in advance. Private email replies are welcome, but please post if you think any of this is of general interest. Drew Winner (acwinner at wam.umd.edu) Return to table of contents
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 20:17:34 EST From: "Systems Analyst (603)429-8553 - BESSETTE at UICC.COM" <bessette at uicc.com> Subject: Addition to homebrew digest... First of all I think the following questions are questions that any beginner who is interested in moving from extract to all-grain would have. I am happy with the results of my extract brewing but I am intrigued at the prospect of doing all-grain brewing. I've heard that the quality of the final product increases dramatically and just the fact that you are creating from scratch and not relying on an extract producer is the other alluring aspect of all-grain brewing. Therefore, I am faced with a dilemma of sorts. How do I make this transition in a reasonable way financially and still make a good product? Many of my concerns are contained in the questions detailed below. I would welcome anyone who has made the transition to speak to these questions. I do understand the intricasies involved in all-grain brewing because I was fortunate enough to participate as a friend of mine made a batch of all-grain brew. He utilized a sparging system called Phil's Laudertun which sells for a reasonable amount and seemed to do the trick for him. He ran into problems though when it came to boiling. Due to the fact that he did not have a really large pot, he had to break his wort into 2 containers for boiling. He also simply used a plastic pail for mashing and placed this in a box and insulated the outside with insulated material. Since he was only doing a single-temperature mash it seemed to work fine for him. This leads me to the following questions: - I saw a 22-quart stainless steel pot in a store but am wondering if this will be large enough for boiling my final product? I have been told that to do a 5-gallon batch I should probably have at least a 7 gallon pot for boiling. Does anyone out there have any ideas on where I can get something this size or how I can make something this size? Also will a conventional electric stove do the trick as far as boiling my wort in a pot of this volume? If it won't are there any suggestions out there as to what I can buy to do this boiling without breaking me financially? - To perform my mashing I have read that some people use a picnic cooler. I intend to do the single temperature mashing since I have heard good things about this type of mashing. Is there any other type of container I could use for single-temp mashing besides the plastic pail mentioned previously? Any extract to all-grain suggestions or experienced observations would be greatly appreciated. All my best to you... Bob Bessette Unitrode Integrated Circuits Merrimack,NH 03087 Please send any advice to address: bessette at uicc.com Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 11:12:01 GMT From: Conn Copas <C.V.Copas at lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Metals John (the Coyote) asks about the effects of copper: "SO...noone else out there has had any problems with copper oxides? Or has any knowledge of them? No metallurgists/chemist amongst us? NOBODY offered any similar incidence, or advice. Hmmmm. Am I truly the only one who's ever had such a problem? I feel so scpecial. (lisp)" The first time I came to England was the first time I found out what chalky water was like. Being a tea (as well as beer) fanatic :-), I immediately decided that my tea infusion water needed treating with acid in order to reduce tannin extraction. Unfortunately, I overdid it. After a few weeks, I noticed: (a) the element in my kettle was looking suspiciously shiny, and (b) the tea was making me nauseous shortly after drinking it. Conn V Copas C.V.Copas at lut.ac.uk Return to table of contents
Date: 21 Feb 1994 07:17:16 -0500 From: "Daniel F McConnell" <Daniel_F_McConnell at mailgw.surg.med.umich.edu> Subject: Ginger juice Subject: Ginger juice An easy and simple method of adding ginger to make ginger beer is to use ginger juice. Take fresh ginger root, peel and puree in a food processor or blender. The semi-solid pulp can then be squeezed through cheesecloth and the juice used in brewing. The juice is cloudy (it separates, so mix it well before using), VERY potent and completely eliminates the problems associated with pulpy material clogging racking tubes. It is also a much more accurate method of adding ginger. Good for marinades and Thai food too! DanMcC Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 09:16:43 -0500 From: aew at spitfire.unh.edu Subject: N.E. Brepubs In my experiences with New England Brew Pubs, they all are a great place to take a familly - good food, yuppy atmosphere - most have a 'back room' or basement with live entertainment usually called the 'bar' or 'pub' they also have a quieter section called the 'dining room'. I have seen many people there with infants enjoying themselves. If you go in the afternoon or early evening (Bevore 7pm) the live entertainment probably won't be there yet and it will be quiter than if they were. I suggest strongly both of these within driving distance from the lakes area: Closest: Portsmouth Brewery - Portsmouth N.H. In the historic market square area of Ports. Great shops around (Including a great homebrew store ACROSS THE STREET called Stout Billy's). Also 10-15 mins. from Kittery Me. and all the outlet shops there. The Brewery (as the locals call it) has great food and beer. Try their "Old Brown Dog" brown ale - it has GABF silver medal. Farther: If you Ski and are going up to Maine (To Sunday River ski resort in Bethel Me.) There is a Brew Pub, not related to the Ski Resort, called the Sunday River Brewing Co. Their food and beer is also excellent. Right now they have their 6 standard beers plus a special stout and a barley wine. Also near there in Kittery (Or Kennybunkport?) there is another fairly new brewpub/microbrewery that is good but I forget the name - never been there - but had some bottled beer from the microbrewery and it was good. Also, if you're going to visit Boston (or fly in and drive to NH from the Airport) Boston: Many to list, I reccomend: Downtown/goverment Center: Commonwelth Brewery - most authentic English Bitter obtainable in N.E. - I went there within 2 weeks from returning from England and their Bitter was the only one that even came close to the 'Real' stuff. I believe their master brewer is English. Good stout there also. Cambridge/Harvard Square - John Harvard's Brew Pub - Good food (German-ish menu) beer is good, but not as good as Commonwelth Brewery. - also - Non brewpub place of HIGH interest: In Harvard square there is a restaraunt/pub called the Wurst House (sp?) German atmosphere - many taps (12-15) and about 100+ bottled beers on the beer menu (about 75% usually in stock) If you're in the area anyways, stop in and check out their beer menu for a treat or two! There are many others, these are ones that I frequent and enjoy - hope this info helps your visit to New England. -Allan Wright Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 09:37:05 EST From: JIM MCNUTT <INJM%MCGILLB.BITNET at VM1.MCGILL.CA> Subject: BOSTON COMPETITION I understand there is a beer competition in Boston in May. Could someone please send me information on the competition including the address of the site where the competition will take place and the dates. Thanks. Please send to INJM at MUSICB.MCGILL.CA. Jim Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 10:26:03 EST From: Spencer.W.Thomas at med.umich.edu Subject: Rebottling Re: transferring beer from 22 oz bottles to 12 oz bottles. It's painful. It may or may not work, depending on the carbonation level of your beer. And, the beer will gather some oxygen in the process, so you'll want to drink it quickly. The process: Chill the beer and receiving bottle as cold as you can without freezing the beer. Preferably, use a new, clean bottle to receive the beer, so it will have as few scratches, etc. that can act as nucleation points for bubbles (how would it get scratched on the inside?). Open the source bottle and pour very gently into the tilted receiving bottle. Try to do it without a funnel, as it would just further agitate the beer, increasing CO2 outgassing and O2 absorption. Quickly cap the receiving bottle with an O2 absorbing cap. =S Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:34 EST From: RON.admin at admin.creol.ucf.edu (RON) Subject: lauter kegs??/double decoction?? What are the nets pro-con opinions of using a converted 5 gal Cornelius keg for a gravity fed lauter tun. I am just getting started in all grain and would like to use an existing keg. This would be an open topped container and the ball/pin valves would be removed. I was going to fit some sort of screen or strainer around the down tube of the bottom of the keg. ???? Should the down tube be changed to a larger one to allow larger initial grains to pass. Trying to follow Noonans double decoction procedure and was wondering how much liquid should be present (%grain or %liquid) in the decoction kettle (to avoid scorching)? Should there be different amounts in each of the decoctions? - ------------ Ron Raike - Facilities / Computers / Networks / HomeBrew CREOL - Center for Research and Education in Optics \ | / and Lasers at the University of Central Florida \\|// - -------------------------------------------------------------*------- email ron at laser.creol.ucf.edu //|\\ phone 407.658.6803 / | \ fax 407.658.6880 Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 11:15:03 -0500 (EST) From: Eugene Sonn <eugene at sccs.swarthmore.edu> Subject: backpack brew and extract descriptions Bart wrote about backpacking brew. I have a few suggestions and comments. I would argue that it would stink to have to buy and _carry_ enough stove fuel to brew with, so I would suggest brewing over a campfire. This would provide some entertainment during the dark evenings especially in fall, winter and spring. This also seems perfect for a base camp trip. You could even do a real natural lager by sticking the bottles in a mountain stream. If you ever try this let me know how it goes since I plan to hike the whol Appalachian Tail in the near future and beer on the trail would be a Godsend. Second, I have a favor to ask all of the HBD. When you post extract recipes, please list them as hopped or unhopped. I know it should be obvious, but it still would make things a bit easier, especially for us novices. Eugene eugene at sccs.swarthmore.edu Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 12:29:23 EST From: Keith A. MacNeal HLO1-1/T09 DTN 225-6171 21-Feb-1994 1226 <macneal at pate.enet.dec.com> Subject: Commercial Kolsch John Montgomery asked about commercially available Kolsch. I've had 2. They might be difficult for you to get unless you travel to New England. One is Long Trail Kolsch from a brewery in Vermont. It is available in bottles. The other is Kenmore Kolsch and is only available on tap at the brewpub at which it is made -- The Boston Beer Works across the street from Fenway Park. Keith MacNeal Digital Equipment Corp. Hudson, MA Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 11:23:33 MST From: npyle at n33.stortek.com Subject: Oxygen Absorbing Caps Al's discussion of oxygen absorbing caps mentioned: >........................................................... If your >supplier is selling them in paper hags or storing the full cases "in the >back somewhere" they could be shot by the time you buy them. ....... This is probably true in the mid-west and the eastern states, but not so in many western states. I live in Colorado where 15% humidity is not uncommon. I wonder what kind of deterioration you could expect with a given humidity level? This type of data would be welcome from the manufacturer. Norm npyle at n33.stortek.com Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 13:51:19 From: Christopher Alan Strickland <beach!chris at cocoa12.ksc.nasa.gov> Subject: Differents Tastes from Same Batch I'm at a lost with my last batch of beer, it's a brown ale. Nearly half the bottles have a nice hops taste, half just taste like beer, nothing special (like the other half) and two bottles have had a sour taste. What could cause the differences in the beer? It was dry-hopped, and I used beechwood too in during the secondary fermentation. (I steamed the beechwood for about an hour to kill any bacteria). The major difference between this and my previous batches, not counting the two differences above, were that I didn't stir after priming, I added the priming liquid while racking into the bottling vessel and let the whirlpool effect do the stirring. Any ideas are greatly appreciated. - -- Chris Strickland Internet: beach!chris at cocoa12.ksc.nasa.gov Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:59:11 -0800 (PST) From: eyeball at netcom.com (David M. Berman) Subject: What makes Guinness Creamy? I've had several homebrewed stouts and porters and none are creamy and rich tasting the way Guinness is. They also tend to taste a bit grassy -- probably a property of misuse of specialty grains. Anyone know what makes Guinness creamy? Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 15:14 EST From: <GNT_TOX_%ALLOY.BITNET at PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU> Subject: Autoclaving starters I posted a message about autoclaving starters. The general consensus from the E-Mail I recieved is that there is no need to autoclave the stuff, since standard canning procedures work just fine at keeping the wort sterile. Just thought you'd all like to know... Return to table of contents
Date: 21 Feb 1994 15:20:20 U From: "Ron Hart" <hart at axon.rutgers.edu> Subject: New Jersey Homebrewing Club Subject: Time:3:12 PM New Jersey Homebrewing Club Date:2/21/94 The next meeting of the Cranford, New Jersey Homebrewing Club meets this Sunday, February 27, at 2:00 PM at the Hanson House on Springfield Avenue. I've noticed several contributors to the Digest with New Jersey addresses, and I'd like to invite anyone in the area to attend. We're still pretty informal, with occasional presentations on various subjects, but mostly we share and enjoy each others' products. There's about 1/3 grain brewers in the group, and an outstanding brew guru, Dave Hoffman, of the Brewmeister homebrew shop. Please come and bring a few bottles of your best! Any questions or for directions, please e-mail me directly. Ron Hart (hart at axon.rutgers.edu) Dept. of Biological Sciences Rutgers University - Newark NJ Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 15:22:45 +119304128 (EST) From: shendric at polar.bowdoin.edu (Shelton M. Hendricks) Subject: high fg stout Hey anyone, A friend and I brewed a stout very similar to Papazian's toad spit stout recipe, which calls for hopped malt extraxt syrup as well as dried extract, specialty malts, etc. (OG=1.053). Anyway, fermentation has stopped at spec grav=1.026 (the recipe predicts 1.015). What's wrong? Thanks, Mike Hendricks shendric at polar.bowdoin.edux Return to table of contents
End of HOMEBREW Digest #1355, 02/22/94

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