HOMEBREW Digest #1776 Sat 08 July 1995

Digest #1775 Digest #1777

		Rob Gardner, Digest Janitor

  Blowoff bucket sanitizer (Algis R Korzonas +1 708 979 8583)
  temperature control (DONBREW)
  Re: Souring/Dumplings ("Glyn Crossno")
  Relgion and Homebrew (David and Carol Smucker)
  Raspberry and cherry beers (Robert.Fike)
  CO2 lines and keg systems (Jim Busch)
  alcohol=drug=evil (Not!) ("Keith Royster")
  God and Beer (Russell Mast)
  Carboys, where? (Domenick Venezia)
  Beer and Babies (Scott Howe)
  Fix for CO2 Leaks (cisco)
  Aeonbrau et al. (Don Put)

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 6 Jul 95 15:02:00 -0500 From: korz at iepubj.att.com (Algis R Korzonas +1 708 979 8583) Subject: Blowoff bucket sanitizer Dion writes: >I use a blowoff tube down into a bucket of sanitizer solution. <snip> >What do other people use and why? I use water, yes, water. Ideally, boiled (to sanitize) water. Why? Because if the temperature changes and any liquid gets sucked up into the carboy, I'd rather it be water than iodophor or bleach. Let me ask you this question: unless you plan to let it sit there for a year, why would you want to put sanitizer in your blowoff bucket? Nothing is going to crawl up the blowoff hose and into the fermenter, so why worry? Al. Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 07:26:06 -0400 From: DONBREW at aol.com Subject: temperature control Hello fellow control freaks, I have recently devised (stumbled upon) a simple & cheap & easy to assemble very low parts count circuit. It is capable of high and low temp control. I intend for it to control the temp. in a warm/cold box it also could be used in a RIMS type setup. Features programable hysterisis, high warning, low warning, maybe ten parts (nothing fancy), cost so far under $10, most parts available at Radio Shack. I am not educated nor smart enough to embellish this thing, anybody with time, inclination and training is invited to take a looksee and offer suggestions. So far my plan is to submit the design to the public domain. If this thing can be slicked up some I may be willing to build and sell on a one of basis. Anybody interested in developement of this thingy can E-mail me for details. I have not got around to schematic yet, but it should be quickly done. Brewing Onward, Don donbrew at aol.com Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 06:41:19 CST From: "Glyn Crossno" <CROSSNO at novell2.tn.cubic.com> Subject: Re: Souring/Dumplings This is the address, I do not think he is on line at the moment. Aeonbrau Head Start Brewing Cultures 256 Cherokee Ridge Athens, GA 30606 Great yeasts also. Wit's up, Glyn Crossno at novell2.tn.cubic.com Nothing's foolproof. Fools are too ingenious. Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 07:39:46 -0400 From: smucker at use.usit.net (David and Carol Smucker) Subject: Relgion and Homebrew In HBD 1775 Kenn Goodrow, East Texas State University commented: >......Well, I just >want to voice my frustration with the puritanical archetypes that >dominated the simplistic thoughts of so many of our fellow-Americans. >This country was founded by men (and women, I'm sure) who brewed, and >who, yes, consumed theirs and others' creations. And these men and women >were religious, most attending services every week and many writing on >their religious convictions. So ironic that in this "modern" society we >have so many who gasp at the thought of homebrewing as if it is illegal >as well as satanic. > >Reactions? I am wondering how many of you are religous, believe in God, >etc., and homebrew? Well, I am in the believe, attend church and homebrew group. Personally I don't see any conflict between these concepts but here in Knoxville many of my Baptist friends seem to. None have called in the BATF yet but some days I wonder if they will. Some in this east Tennessee area known for its moonshinning history (you can still get it in the hills around here) seem to think that making homebrew is like making moonshine. (Maybe it is in their eyes, just a matter of strength.) Many of these good Baptists here continue to kill themselves smoking, to each his own. I have lots of other friends, at work, etc. whom very gladly will drink up my homebrew. Around a good part rest of the world, and I have spent a lot of time in Europe and Asia there doesn't seem to be as much conflict between brew and religion. We Americans seem to have done this completely to ourselves. I am of course leaving out some of the major relgions of the world with the above statement because they are even more restristive than things here in the South. Dave Smucker, Knoxville, Tennessee <smucker at use.usit.net> David E. Smucker, Knoxville, Tennessee, USA <smucker at use.usit.net> Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 95 08:50:42 EST From: Robert.Fike at ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov Subject: Raspberry and cherry beers I would like to make a Raspberry Wheat and a Cherry Wheat beer. I will be useing extract kits and adding hop plugs in the boil. Maybe even adding .5oz to 1oz hop plugs for dry hopping. My question is on the preparation/addition of the fruit. I have been told that the fruit should be added after the vigorious fermentation has stopped. Does anyone agree? Or if you have a alternate suggestion, please let me know. How should the fruit be prepared? I was going to put it in those muslin bags. Sould I boil the fruit for both the nasties and to soften it up then put the cooled fruit and water into the fermentator? Or give the fruit a ride through the blender (cherry pits removed)? If anyone has any suggestions or ideas please let me know and I'll post the results. TIA Rob Fike ROBERT.FIKE at CCMAIL.GSFC.NASA.GOV Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 09:50:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Busch <busch at eosdev2.gsfc.nasa.gov> Subject: CO2 lines and keg systems Several posters have recently stated how they dont need to have a CO2 line through the refrige: <As for getting a CO2 line into the fridge: I find there is no need to do <this at all. I personally like to engineer things to work for me, so I much prefer to have hard plumbing and fittings where I need em. I also have a lot of kegs online at any time and I like to maintain the dispensing pressures where I want em. How to put a line in? Drill a hole through the side of the 'frige, its that easy. Be sure to size the drill bit to just fit the OD of the CO2 line and force the hose through the hole. On the inside, split this line into a quick disconnect for counter-pressure filling, and a 2 or 3 way gang valve for shut off. Out of the gang valve, it is nice to have other quick disconnects so I can quickly convert from corny kegs to sankey kegs. I also have a setup like this on my carbonating frige, line through the side, splits to shutoffs for carbonating at different atmospheres of pressure. Out of this I intend to split a line through to my storage frige through a inline regulator to reduce pressure for dispense. This way I can use one 20 lb tank to carbonate and dispense kegs that dont fit in my normal kegerator. BTW, my carbonating frige is set to 31F so I can also store yeast in it. Its also convienent to have quick disconnects that have a liquid line on em. This is useful for purging and filling empty kegs with CO2 prior to filling, through the liquid out line. Jim Busch Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 10:00:13 +0500 ET From: "Keith Royster" <N1EA471 at mro.ehnr.state.nc.us> Subject: alcohol=drug=evil (Not!) Kenneth K Goodrow <goodrow at orion.etsu.edu> voices his frustration with "the puritanical archetypes" that view beer/alcohol as satanic. > Drugs -- there were a few messages a while back on the <snip> drug > status of alcohol <snip>. I missed most of those posts since our computer network went down for almost two weeks (BTW if you responded to my request for info on RIMS pumps [prices/brands/model#/pumping rates] and your message bounced, please try again now, thanks). I would like to voice my opinion that alcohol IS a drug. The question is, "So what?" "Drug" does not equal "Evil" I beleive that there are different levels, from "Good" to "Evil" for drugs, depending on their pro/con ratio to society. For example, aspirin has many pros and (practically) no cons, so it is viewed as very beneficial to society, but crack cocain has a very low ratio and is thus viewed as very evil. The problem is what society views to be the pros and cons VS what they actually are. Alcohol has a bad rap in some circles because they perceive cons that (in our opinion) do not exist and do not see the pros that we beleive exist. Similary, I beleive that alcohol and marijuana have very similar pro/con ratios, yet society as a whole clearly disagrees. I read an article in a back issue of our brew club library recently (can't remember which one). There was a story about a guy who, after prohibition had ended, was employed to improve the image of beer. He did some research on our founding fathers and their brewing/drinking habits and then published his findings in such a way as to associate drinking beer with patriotism. Within 6 months, a large number of grocery store chains (can't remember the exact amount, but it was significant) started selling beer again. The point is, there is a large gap between the perceived pro/con ratio for alcohol and the actual ratio, and that needs to be changed. We can do that by simply giving these beer haters a different image from the beer drunken slobs that they associate alcohol with. By simply being good, upstanding citizens and not hiding the fact that we brew and enjoy beer (and savor the flavor responsibly) I beleive we can slowly change the way some parts of society view alcohol. <OK, I'm stepping down off of my soapbox now> Keith Royster +---------------------------------------------+ | The law has done its best over a period of | | years to turn beer into something criminal | | and harmful; but the outcome has been that | | beer has turned sections of the law into | | something criminal and harmful. - Anonymous | +---------------------------------------------+ +------------------------------+---------------------------------------------+ | Keith Royster, E.I.T. | The law has done its best over a period of | | Environmental Engineer | years to turn beer into something criminal | | NC-DEHNR / Air Quality | and harmful; but the outcome has been that | | (704) 663-1699 | beer has turned sections of the law into | | Royster at mro.ehnr.state.nc.us | something criminal and harmful. - Anonymous | +------------------------------+---------------------------------------------+ Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 09:41:39 -0500 From: Russell Mast <rmast at fnbc.com> Subject: God and Beer Kenneth K Goodrow writes: > This country was founded by men (and women, I'm sure) who brewed, and > who, yes, consumed theirs and others' creations. And these men and women > were religious, most attending services every week and many writing on > their religious convictions. So ironic that in this "modern" society we > have so many who gasp at the thought of homebrewing as if it is illegal > as well as satanic. I don't find too much irony in this, actually. Admittedly, I have a very different perspective on the whole thing, but most of the first settlers to this country were Calvinistic, and Calvin's influence still pervades much of society's attitudes. (Not the kid with the stuffed tiger, btw.) It is, to me, a little surprising that there were fewer admonitions against drinking in those days. One of the main reasons beer was brewed was that you couldn't trust the water. Today, you can. (Unless you a John Burker, but we can save that for later.) A lot of it, IMO, is related to what I call the anti-pleasure principle. The idea that if you're having fun with something, there must be something evil about it. (This is the main reason, IMO, for continued drug prohibition in this country. If you want to talk about that, e-mail me privately.) I often see homebrewers, especially those from the US midwest, feel like they have to defend their craft by assuring themselves and others that they're not just doing it to get a buzz, that there's more to it than that. This defensiveness arises largely from Calvinist influence, which simply hadn't 'gotten to' beer by the time this country was founded. As we're all aware, I'm sure, religion is a hot-button issue, and I want to make it clear that I'm not -blaming- anyone for anything. I'm simply saying the "tradition" that anti-beer people are following is an intellectual one rather than a behavioral one. (That is, their forebears drank beer, yeah, but had the same kinds of ideas that lead them to eschew beer.) > Now, I am religious, attend church every week, etc. > ad infinitum (not trying to toot my horn), but there just isn't a > Biblical proof against alcohol (a proof-text yes, but proof no) and its > consumption. Again, you and I come from different perspectives. I have the jaded view that one can find evidence to support -any- argument in the Bible. Nonetheless, I agree that you have to really stretch it to get an anti-beer message. Not to knock anyone, but the Calvinist tradition in this country is not a Biblically-based tradition. (Also worth noting, religious people don't have a monopoly on these ideas, they pervade secular society a good deal.) Bible trivia time. "Strong drink" was a cyser, made with apples and honey. > Reactions? I am wondering how many of you are religous, believe in God, > etc., and homebrew? What are your thoughts? I know this is not a > technical part of homebrewing, but holistically, the > spirituo-psychological aspects are part of the whole. What's your view > of the gestalt? Actually, I'm also curious about the religious demographic of homebrewers, and how religion influences your appreciation and understanding of beer. (I want some joker to post something like "Well, being a Lutheran, I love a good Weizen, but don't care much for Stouts...") For the record, I'm a "strong" atheist. I don't believe there is a supreme being, and I don't believe that the existence of a supreme being is a possibility realistic enough to consider. I'm also a humanist. I believe in doing everything I can to help my fellow human (or humyn? huperson? huperoffspring?) to live a better life. I think this world is the only one we get, so I try to make it as nice a place as I can. Further, I believe that this life is the only one I get, so I should make the most of it. (No, I refuse to paraphrase a Stroh's ad here.) Because I could die permanently at any time, I feel that I should make each moment special if I can, and not waste my time worrying about past opportunities lost. And, while I plan for the future becuase I hope to live there a long time, I don't sacrifice the present in the name of the future, because the future might just not show up. (I recognize that many of these beliefs about time, etc. are shared by many people of different religions, and I don't mean to denigrate them. I do feel that atheism is an important part of my belief system and I think that it is related to my understanding of 'the moment'.) How does this influence my brewing? Well, for one, I savor every stage of the process. (As do others, of course.) Each step is special, and the beer is a good thing all the way. Obviously, I have the final product in mind, but I don't let that overshadow the fun of the process of brewing. I'm less patient in this regard than a lot of brewers, I don't feel like having an absolutely miserable afternoon, only tempered by the anticipation of good things to come. Of course, some of the more demanding aspects of brewing which require patience I really enjoy, so I greet them with glee. I've had several brewers comment that I stir the beer a lot more than other brewers, and I think that's related too, but I'm not really sure in what way. I think when a batch turns out less-than-optimal, it's not a major tragedy as it can be with others. Sure, maybe this beer was 2 years in the making, but it was a -fun- two years, so if it's not the best, that's too bad. When I have a good batch, of course I'm elated, and I tend to drink them up pretty quick. With the less than terrific batches, I keep them around for a lot longer than some other folks, in the hopes that they get better and, well, I have enough space for a few bottles and I have enough empties I don't have to rush through them. Sheesh. That's long. I hope this isn't too far off-topic. I think we're adult enough to have a thread involving religion without it degenerating into a mudfest. (Also, let's keep this to the religion-brewing relationship. If you want to talk about stuff not related to brewing, I'm all ears, but not on the HBD.) -Russell Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 07:46:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Domenick Venezia <venezia at zgi.com> Subject: Carboys, where? Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 Kenneth K Goodrow <goodrow at orion.etsu.edu> asks: >O.k., who is it that is buying up all the carboys at the Corning glass >outlets? ... This seems like a great place to shop for carboys, but doesn >anyone else have any ideas on where to get these glass jobbys for cheap? Check your local Yellow Pages under "Bottles" or "Bottle Supply". Here in Seattle we can get 5 gal carboys from a place called Olshen's Bottle Supply for $11, and 7 gal ones for about $15. >Reactions? I am wondering how many of you are religous, believe in God, >etc., and homebrew? What are your thoughts? I know this is not a >technical part of homebrewing, but holistically, the >spirituo-psychological aspects are part of the whole. What's your view >of the gestalt? Please, please, PLEASE! Do not let this turn into a thread! Domenick Venezia ZymoGenetics, Inc. Seattle, WA venezia at zgi.com Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 08:38 PDT From: howe at appmag.com (Scott Howe) Subject: Beer and Babies Nick Franke (NAFRANK at pop03.ny.us.ibm.net) stated, while asking about Alcohol Removal From Beer: > We have a friend who recently became pregnant, and >has developed cravings, real or imagined, for beer. >Obviously for health reasons alcohol is out. This is covered in an article a few months back in a cool Beer magazine called All About Beer. The author gave some history about what used to be called groaning Beer, which was given to pregnant women during Labor. He also quoted some studies saying that Beer during pregnancy IN MODERATION (as usual) is fine. The general consensus on "IN MODERATION" meant no more than one Beer at a sitting. He also stated that the health of the woman improves with moderate consumtion, so: Obviously for health reasons alcohol (IN MODERATION) is IN. I have a friend who had similar cravings, and bless her heart, had a Beer in her fourth month and LOVED it. I think she had a Simpatico, so it wasn't high in alcohol (or taste, for that matter). She had her baby a few months ago, and mother and child are doing fine. Here's to your (and her) health! --Aubrey Howe, III howe at appmag.com Santa Barbara, Ca. "The Brewcaster" of Brewcaster's Brewpub. Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 08:08:40 -0500 (CDT) From: cisco at tabasco.ccit.arizona.edu Subject: Fix for CO2 Leaks > Date: Thu, 06 Jul 95 09:24:00 MST > From: "Fleming, Kirk R., Capt" <FLEMINGKR at afmcfafb.fafb.af.mil> > Subject: CO2 Questions > In general, I find the CO2 gear for soda kegs to be kinda leaky--it seems to > require a lot of fussing and I personally don't trust them to hold gas well. > I feel safer putting the charge on the keg, then removing all the lines and > shutting off the CO2 tank at the main valve. It's not the poppets on the > keg that are suspect so much as all the connecting junk. It's true that CO2 connections for the typical cornelius keg setup are prone to leaks but if you wrap ALL threaded connections before assembly with plumbing teflon tape you will never have any leaks again. I leave my CO2 lines connected and turned on all the time and my CO2 tanks last forever. Remember that if you ever take apart any connections (for things like filling jars with hops with CO2 before freezing) that you re-wrap the threaded connection with fresh teflon tape every time. I lost an entire tank of CO2 only once (took only a few days and it was 20lbs) because I was lazy and didn't re-wrap the connector I had taken apart with fresh teflon tape. John 'Cisco' Francisco Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 13:11:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Put <dput at cello.gina.calstate.edu> Subject: Aeonbrau et al. "Miller Eric" <Miller.Eric at mail.ndhm.gtegsc.com> wrote: >I used "lacto-capsules" from Aeonbrau to sour a Wit. Worked well. >I don't have Aeonbrau's latest address. The owner, Dr. Brian Nummer, >recently moved to Athens, GA to open a brewpub. If anyone has the new >address, please post it. Aeonbrau 256 Cherokee Ridge Athens, Georgia 30606 (no phone number on the flyer) I've used a few of his strains with great success. There's also another company called The Yeast Culture Kit Company that has quite of few interesting strains, although I don't see any lacto bugs listed in their catalog. Their address/phone/email is: The Yeast Culture Kit Company Daniel S. McConnell, Prop. 1308 W. Madison Ann Arbor, MI 48103 (800) 742-2110 (313) 761-5914 email: daniel.s.mcconnell at med.umich.edu Either of these suppliers carry a wider selection of strains than are currently available in smack packs. Disclaimer: YMMV, dealer prep not included, etc. don (dput at cello.gina.calstate.edu) PS - Any of you net folks going to be up in Portland for the conference sponsered by BrewingTechniques? If so, please let me know; I'd like to hoist one with you. Return to table of contents
End of HOMEBREW Digest #1776, 07/08/95