HOMEBREW Digest #2306 Friday, January 10 1997

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Contents:
  Re:mead/beer on an aircraft
  Pale Ale recipes
  [No Subject Provided By Sender]
  Re: labels
  Re: labels
  Decoction Mashing, re: to Chas P. post (George De Piro)
  Re: Racking to Secondary
  Re: Getting clear wort/pH probe storage/water testing 
  "Technical" agar questions (Paul Henning)
  removable labeling stock
  Sparge Temperature - Why not lower
  Re: agar agar
  Filtering wort- Sipnonstarter
  yeast recommendation (Jerry Cunningham)
  Extract to All-Grain & Back
  First Brew Troubles
  Brewing Equipment: Strainer and Funnel (fwd)
  Peroxidase ... not a hydrolytic enzyme
  Planispiral Chiller
  Sanitizing mini-kegs
  Tannins and husk
  Re: Homebrewed pH meters, clarifying cloudiness
  Re: Need Info on Opening a Homebrew Shop
  "Decoction" or "No Sparge" Mashing for Ales? (A. McGregor)
  Re: Welding Things
  Beer Bread
  labels
  Labels
  Re: Rust on welds
  the sucking thing
  RIMS pump?
  Have Questions


---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:32:40 -0500 (EST) From: WattsBrew at aol.com Subject: Re:mead/beer on an aircraft Dan, I have taken 2 six packs on a commercial flight with no difficulty. I passed it through x-ray for carry-on and when asked what was in the bottles, I told the security guy it was homebrew, he said "Oh, somebody's going to have a great flight". I just stuffed the gym bag in the overhead compartment. Of course, this stirred up the yeast sediment, but we let them settle for a few days afterward. I have never (kiss of death?) had a bottle explode here at home, so I never considered that one might blow at 25000 ft. The cabin pressure is pretty stable, I don't think that will be a problem. Enjoy the ride and the brew. Bill Watt - Brewing beer in Lancaster, NY wattsbrew at aol.com Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 20:59:32 +1100 (EST) From: Mark Preston <prestonm at labyrinth.net.au> Subject: Pale Ale recipes G'day fellow Brewers, I am in need of pale ale recipes, so if you have a good recipe please send.. prestonm at labyrinth.net.au Thanks CHEERS Mark Preston Mark Preston Brewing Beer in Melbourne, Australia.. Return to table of contents
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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 07:58:00 -0500 From: Michael Switzer <switzer8 at pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: labels Bert H. Chew writes: >I am about ready to bottle my first batch. I would like to make labels >with my PC. I was wondering if anyone knew of some good label stock to >use with an inkjet printer that would be EASY to remove after the bottles >were empty? I use just a regular 20# bond paper in my Epson Color InkJet. I then attach the labels using Elmer's Spray Adhesive, which can be found anywhere that they sell school supplies. The adhesive is water resistant and soaks into the paper to make it resistant too. I have no trouble removing these labels once you get a corner up they come off like a Post-It Note, leaving no gunk behind. Michael Switzer - ----------------------------------- switzer at cpp.msu.edu switzer8 at pilot.msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/user/switzer8 Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 08:44:45 -0500 From: David Winfield <ddw at ptdprolog.net> Subject: Re: labels >I use just a regular 20# bond paper in my Epson Color >InkJet. I then attach the labels using Elmer's Spray >Adhesive, which can be found anywhere that they sell school >supplies. The adhesive is water resistant and soaks into >the paper to make it resistant too. I have no trouble >removing these labels once you get a corner up they come >off like a Post-It Note, leaving no gunk behind. Michael: Do you have a problem with the ink running if they get wet? Dave Winfield Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 08:44:45 -0800 From: George De Piro <George_De_Piro at berlex.com> Subject: Decoction Mashing, re: to Chas P. post (George De Piro) Howdy! Yeah, yeah, I know you're all probably sick of my writings on decoctions, but I would like to discuss Chas's post. Chas describes how he decocts by mashing 1/3 of the grain overnight, at a starting temperature of 125F, allowing the temp to fall to ~100F. He says in this way he takes care of his protein and acid rests. In the morning he heats it to saccharification, then boils it, then adds it to the "main" mash (the remaining 2/3 of the grain). He does this to avoid leaving the main mash in the protein rest range for too long. One problem I see with this is that he's leaving 1/3 of his mash in the lower protein rest range for several hours, while 2/3 of the mash never gets a protein rest. Depending on the malts you're using, this could leave a lot of higher molecular weight proteins and lots of very degraded proteins (free amino acids), with not a large amount of the more desirable mid-weight proteins (that provide body and mouthfeel without as much haze potential as the larger proteins). Also, the bacterial action that occurs in a pot of wet grain at ~110F over 8 hours will be noticeable. The mash may taste a bit sour, which is not usually desirable. I usually avoid over long protein rests when decocting by heating the main mash to saccharification and then pulling the decoction (after a good deal of conversion has occured). I then boil the decoction mash and add it back very slowly to avoid raising the main mash to too high a temperature. I'm not really using the decoction to achieve temperature steps, just to form melanoidins. This won't work in some people's systems, but it's definitely less work than splitting your brew session over two days. Have fun! George De Piro (Nyack, NY) Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:51:24 -0600 From: lheavner at tcmail.frco.com Subject: Re: Racking to Secondary This is a Mime message, which your current mail reader may not understand. Parts of the message will appear as text. To process the rest, you will have to use a Mime compatible mail reader. Contact your vendor for details. - --IMA.Boundary.852905146 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part From: "Douglas M. Yost" <dyost at txdirect.net> >>When is it recommended to rack an ESB to the secondary fermenter? I have heard the following: 2 to 3 days bubbles at 90-second intervals Presently I am at day 3, and the bubbles are at 5-second intervals.<< At the risk of restarting a flame war on the use of secondaries, Why rack at all? If it is to get the beer off of the trub as in "I dumped my kettle with hot break and all into the fermentor, then I would transfer as soon as most of the solids have settled out and while fermentation was active to minimize the risk of airborne infection. IMHO, racking to a 2ndary is just extra work and another opportunity to infect the beer. In an ale which has a short period before bottling, there does not appear to be any advantage. Regards, Lou Heavner <lheavner at frmail.frco.com> - --IMA.Boundary.852905146-- Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:05:08 -0500 From: Spencer W Thomas <spencer at engin.umich.edu> Subject: Re: Getting clear wort/pH probe storage/water testing >>>>> "David" == David C Harsh <dharsh at alpha.che.uc.edu> writes: David> If you are on a municipal system, call your water company. Caveat: what you will probably get is an average over a long period, usually a year. And it's generally not the most recent year, which doesn't matter much unless they've changed water sources and/or treatments since they last printed up the analysis. If your water varies significantly throughout the year, as it will if much of it comes from surface sources (river, e.g.), then the report is useful, but should not be taken as gospel. =Spencer Thomas in Ann Arbor, MI (spencer at umich.edu) Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 09:46:55 -0600 From: Paul Henning <phenning at cs.uiowa.edu> Subject: "Technical" agar questions (Paul Henning) I've seen a variety of posts in the last few digests about obtaining "agar-agar" at Asian groceries. My problem is sort of opposite of that. I have access to a wonderful biochemistry supply store, but I don't know how to specify exactly what type of agar to get. On the Yeast Culture Kits homepage, they mention "YM" agar and "YMA" agar. Are these appropriate? Do I need to specify anything else? USP? As a side note, what does the designation "USP" stand for? It seems to imply that the product receiving that designation is safe for food use. Is that correct? Cheers, Paul Henning | The truth is http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~phenning | out there. phenning at cs.uiowa.edu (finger for PGP public key) | Linux. "Make good money, $5 a day; Made any more, I might move away..." Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:10:53 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Puffe <cpuffe at mail1.nai.net> Subject: removable labeling stock >I am about ready to bottle my first batch. I would like to make labels >with my PC. I was wondering if anyone knew of some good label stock to >use with an inkjet printer that would be EASY to remove after the bottles >were empty? <lurk mode off> Avery makes a removable label stock, part number 6464, that is perfect. The labels are 6 to a page, 4" x 3.33". Although spec'd for laser printers, I have friends that have used these labels successfully in color inkjet printers. YMMV. Surf to http://www.avery.com (no affiliation, blah, blah, blah) for specs/info. Chuck <lurk on> Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:22:33 -0600 From: Tom Galley <tgalley at flash.net> Subject: Sparge Temperature - Why not lower I'm going to try this again using a different system. Sorry for the garbled post; hope this one appears normally. A series of niggling problems, poor planning, and interruptions resulted in my wasting enough time prior to sparging that my sparge water temperature dropped to the high 150's. I raised it to the low 160's by adding boiling water, but I ran out of preboiled brewing water, and headroom. Since I use gravity feed, I didn't want to screw around lowering 10.5 gallons of hot water and heating it back up, so I didn't worry and sparged away. I had already mashed out to 168=B0F. Over the course of a 2 hour sparge (22# grain bill in 10 gallon Gott), the temperature of the sparge water dropped from about 162=B0 to about 156=B0. Granted, I need to better insulate my reservoir. =20 Extraction was a whopping 80% efficient compared to my expected 75% or so. I guess this was the result of continuing enzyme activity during the sparge, although I ended up mashing for 2.5 hours, which was an hour longer than planned. The wort tasted great and fermented out quickly in primary. The beer is drier than I hoped when transferred to secondary (1.010 SG), but still tastes great. It shouldn't have been more fermentable, though, since the temperature during sparge was higher than my 153=B0F mash temperature. =20 So the question is: Why not sparge at these lower temperatures?=20 Seems less attention to ph would be necessary to prevent tannin extraction. What difference does it make if the enzymes keep working a bit? Why was the wort apparently more fermentable than planned? Thanks, Tom galley at sperry-sun.com Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 08:23:05 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Frane <jfrane at teleport.com> Subject: Re: agar agar Al Korzonas offers: >Michael writes: >>Does anyone know a realitively inexpensive place to get Agar? > >Yes. Chineese grocery stores. Ask for "agar agar." > But pay attention! For some completely bizarre reason, you will occasionally find "agar agar" that is actually white tree fungus. The actual agar is sold in long lumpy-looking strips. The Chinese use agar for various treats (many dim sum dishes), and the fungus in dishes like hot & sour soup. - --Jeff Frane Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 08:35:51 -0800 From: Jim Martin <fermntap at concentric.net> Subject: Filtering wort- Sipnonstarter There is a new product out that will start the siphon flow, strain the hops ( pellet or whole ) and leave just enough wort in the thing to pour off into a hydrometer jar for a reading. It's called the "Siphontap" It's easy to use and cheap ! ($ 9.95) Available through your local homebrew supply store. Jim Martin Fermntap at concentric.net Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:31:19 -0500 From: Jerry Cunningham <gcunning at Census.GOV> Subject: yeast recommendation (Jerry Cunningham) First of all, thanks for all the great stuff you all have been posting lately - lots of interesting articles (I especially liked Don Van Valkenburg's dry hopping observations) and even a plaid joke! I'm going to try my first true lager soon, and I need a recommendation on yeast. I'm planning on a German pils following closely by a doppelbock, using the same yeast. The old Wyeast spec sheet recommends these strains: - --- German Pilsner: Light to medium body. Dry. Bitter. Medium to high hop flavor and aroma. Very low diacetyl OK. Nofruitiness/esters. Wyeast 2007, 2124, 2308. Bock/Doppelbock: Full body. Malty. Low bitterness. Low diacetyl OK. No fruitiness/esters. Medium to high alcohol. Wyeast 2124, 2278, 2007. - --- So, I was thinking of using one of these strains: 2007 Pilsen lager yeast A classic American pilsner strain, sturdy and simple to use. Ferments dry and crisp. Flocculation -medium; apparent attenuation - 71-75%. (48-56F) 2308 Munich lager yeast A demanding strain, but capable of producing some of the finest lagers made. Very smooth, well-rounded and full-bodied. Flocculation - medium; apparent attenuation - 73-77%. (48-56F) 2124 Bohemian lager yeast A pilsner yeast from the Czech Republic. Ferments clean and malty, with rich residual sugarin full gravity pilsners. Flocculation - - medium; apparent attenuation - 69-73%. (46-54F) I'm leaning towards 2007 or 2124, the "demanding strain" clause from the 2308 description kinda scared me off from that one. I also have some yeast I scavanged from a growler of DeGroens Pils (from Baltimore Brewing Company, I believe it's viable) that I was thinking about using - does anybody know what strain this is? Thanks for any help! - - Jerry Cunningham Annapolis, MD Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:46:52 -0500 (EST) From: KennyEddy at aol.com Subject: Extract to All-Grain & Back Vince Mitchell asked about All-Grain --> Extract --> All-Grain conversion. See my web page (URL below) for my article on all-grain to extract conversion. The basic idea is to take each grain individually and decide whether an extract substitute is available, whether a simple specialty-grain steep is adequate, or whether a mini-mash is necessary. Then combine these steps into your recipe and fire away. As far as going from extract to all-grain, this is where it gets tricky. For conversion of only pale extract, substitute pale malt (pale ale malt in english ale recipes, lager malt in lagers, etc). The converision rate would be about 1.5 lb grain per lb of dry extract, or 1.3 lb grain per lb of liquid extract, assuming about 75% efficiency (typical). For "dark" and "amber" extracts, you have several options, none of which will be right all the time. The reason is that "colored" extracts may or may not contain anything in addition to pale malt other than coloring. And even if it did contain dark malt, how much and what kind is never revealed. So you have to guess. My suggestion is to substitute pale malt as described above, then add appropriate (for the style) specialty grains to bring the color up to the same as the extract. Converting all-grain to extract is useful for the extract brewer, but converting extract to all-grain is unnecessary IMHO since there are many fine recipes and style guidelines available. Extract beers are often (but not always) "simplified" versions of the beer style they represent, and for reasons already mentioned, a lot of guesswork and augmentation would have to go into a conversion. Start form scratch with all-grain. ***** Ken Schwartz El Paso, TX KennyEddy at aol.com http://members.aol.com/kennyeddy Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 13:11:32 -0300 From: Suzanne Chaput <alacarte at nfld.com> Subject: First Brew Troubles Being the pioneer brewpub in this province is exciting but not without frustration. We lack sources for discussion locally, and therefore the learning process can at times be hindered. We kegged our first brew two weeks ago (a top fermented amber ale using extracts). We poured yesterday and two problems ensued. First, the brew is extremely cloudy and has excessive sediment, despite having been filtered. Second, the brew is flat (we use a CO2/Nitrogen, 70/30 carbonation system which has been effective for all imported kegged beer). We didn't clarify the beer. Could this be what has caused the cloudiness, and if yes, will it help if we clarify now? And then the problem of carbonation remains. We'd like to salvage this first brew because ... well it's our "maiden brew" ... and because despite these two unfavorable characteristics, the brew imparts a rather pleasant flavor. What can we do about it now, or what should we look to change in future brews? Suggestions/advice would be greatly appreciated. Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:58:53 -0600 (CST) From: Frosty <frosty at cstar.ac.com> Subject: Brewing Equipment: Strainer and Funnel (fwd) Hello fellow brewers! I have been looking everywhere for a large (~12inches diameter) strainer and an accompaning funnel for straining my wort before going into the primary. I can find a strainer at Walmart, but it is not fine enough to get out the pellet hop remains. Anyway, I figure that I can get something from a commercial kitchen supply place but 1) I don't know where any are and 2) they probably won't sell just one to me. What is everyone out in homebrewland using? My brewpot is large and does not pour very easy so I am trying to be neat. Any comments would be appreciated. Frosty frosty at tp.ac.com Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 12:37:17 -0500 From: Steve Alexander <stevea at clv.mcd.mot.com> Subject: Peroxidase ... not a hydrolytic enzyme Steve Alexander wrote ... >of peroxidase enzymes that should reduce phenols. They require >hydrogen peroxide for the hydrolisation. Add hydrogen peroxide to ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Everybody knows peroxidase is an oxidizing enzyme not a hydrolyzing enzyme. Peroxidase and H2O2 together oxidize phenols RELEASING H2O instead of using H2O. Phenols aren't eliminated, instead the oxidized phenols readily polymerize, hopefully to such an extent that they either become insoluable or combine with proteins. Where did this bozo learn his enzymatics ? thought I'd beat you all to the punch, Steve Alexander p.s. 0.1% hydrogen peroxide is suggested in M&BS. Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 14:28:16 +0000 From: John Robinson <robinson at novalis.ca> Subject: Planispiral Chiller Hi there, In HBD Volume 02 : Number 025 Dave Hinkle posted his experiences with planispiral chillers. To my knowledge Ed is the one who came up with this idea, but I wouldn't be surprised to discover that it occurred to others independently. I built mine after looking at the one Ed built and it has served me well. I made mine out of 1/4" copper tubing, and would recomend 3/8's I think for somewhat increased rigidity. Mine works quite well, but I am in the process of changing my brewing setup in many fundamental ways, and rather that build another immersion chiller for my new 15 gallon boiling vessel, I'm going to do a counterflow chiller this time. Ed to my knowledge is currently in Ontario and last I heard he was no longer subscribed to HBD. I do not know his current email address. Ed did also write a letter to BT describing his chiller, I have that issue at home but do not remember which one it is. If there is sufficient interest I'll dig it up and post the year and version. - -John Robinson Software Developer NovaLIS Technologies Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 13:35:36 -0500 From: Kevin Sinn <skinner at MNSi.Net> Subject: Sanitizing mini-kegs I've just purhased a mini-keg system and I'm urious as to the best way to sanitize them. I'm aware that chlorine bleach will pit the aluminum over time. What are some other alternatives? Thanks Kevin Sinn Windsor, Ontario, Canada Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 12:49:45 CST From: John Wilkinson <jwilkins at imtn.tpd.dsccc.com> Subject: Tannins and husk Bill writes: >A continuing thread over the past couple of years and something that you >are warned about in all grain brewing is the husk portion of the malt. >The husks have been blamed as being the major source of tannins in beer, >yet when beer is brewed with the husks being sieved off, the tannin is >about 91% of the tannin found in beer that is brewed with husks. Where >is all this tannin coming from? At least some of it is coming from the >hops. and AlK reponds: >33% according to Moll in Brewing Science (Vol. 3, I believe, "Collodal >Stability in Beer" is the name of the chapter). My question is, if the non-husk beer has 91% of the tannins of the husk beer and hops contribute only 33%, where does the rest come from? Am I misinterpreting Bill's statement? Are the husks sieved off after they have already contributed most of their tannins or is there another source? John Wilkinson - Grapevine, Texas - jwilkins at imtn.dsccc.com Return to table of contents
Date: 10 Jan 97 14:09:29 EST From: "David R. Burley" <103164.3202 at CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Homebrewed pH meters, clarifying cloudiness Brewsters: Our Walloon (based on his accent), Ronnie Baert says: > Is there any chemist or scientific specialist who can tell us which metal= > s that can be used for > making elektrodes for a ph-meter? Electronics & measuring =3D no problem.= > For our purpose > (homebrewing) we measure only a few times per month. For a short measure= > ment, and, if > you clean after each measure the electrodes, it should be possible to mea= > sure acurate the ph > using a meter with naked elektrodes. Sorry, Ronnie, but the glass envelope around the pH meter electrodes is critical to the measurement and the type of glass and thickness is important and the manufacture is still somewhat of an art. There is a reference electrode ( which can be calomel - mercuric chloride ) in there also. In the old, old days pH was first measured electrically with a bare platinized platinum electrode in a hydrogen gas atmosphere versus a calomel electrode connected by an agar-agar or gelatin containing potassium chloride bridge. Very clumsy and both the hydrogen and calomel are dangerous, especially around sparks and a foodstuff like beer. My recommendation - don't waste your time or money. Buy whatever you want - temperature compensated or not - it will be a lot cheaper and certainly it will work. Personally, I wouldn't bother with temperature compensation, since, as pointed out the other day here, pH itself also varies with temperature. Use a metal cup ( I use a thick walled metal shot measure or a SS measuring cup) which can be cooled quickly to the desired reference temperature with ice and water on the outside. My advice -don't re-invent the wheel. Why not spend your time on a RIMS or something else where your creativity can be useful? - ----------------------------------------- Mark Bayer clarifies his question about cloudier wort resulting from putting it through a sieve versus just drawing it off the brew ketle. Answer. Part of the purpose of the rolling boil, particularly after the Irish Moss is added, is to collect the trub into larger flocs which settle rapidly. By putting them through a sieve you broke them up and these smaller particles settle slower. The solution - siphon the wort off through a choreboy scrubber which can use the hops as a filter bed and not break up the flocs. - ----------------------------------------- Keep on brewin' Dave Burley Kinnelon, NJ 07405 103164.3202 at compuserve.com Voice e-mail OK Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 13:10:41 -0500 (EST) From: AJN <neitzkea at frc.com> Subject: Re: Need Info on Opening a Homebrew Shop Marty Did you ever get any responses? If so could you pass them on to me? On Mon, 30 Dec 1996, Marty Tippin wrote: > I've got this strange urge to open a homebrew supply store here in town - > seems to me like a good opportunity to fill a void in the community and do > something I've always wanted to do (own a small business)... > > Problem is, I haven't the foggiest idea how much it costs to start a shop, > where to look for suppliers, how to go about procuring startup capital, what > kind of profits to expect, etc. > > If any of you kind shop owners out there would care to offer some advice, > I'd be grateful... Reply by direct e-mail if you please... > > -Marty > _________________________________________________________________________ Arnold J. Neitzke Internet Mail: neitzkea at frc.com Brighton, Michigan Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 13:57:17 -0500 (EST) From: Art McGregor <mcgregap at acq.osd.mil> Subject: "Decoction" or "No Sparge" Mashing for Ales? (A. McGregor) Greetings Beerlings! Having read a little about decoction mashing (single, double, triple)= , I=92ve been interested in trying it to get the benefits of the improved malt= y flavor.=20 The question is whether decoction mashes will add any noticeable flav= or to ales, or is it mainly useful only with lagers? I guess a similar que= stion would apply to "No Sparge" mashing. Currently, I brew extract beers. Would any of these two techniques p= rovide improved maltiness if used with a partial mash (again, only talking a= bout ales, not lagers)? Would it require full volume wort boils (6 gallon), or = could the sweet liquor from the partial mash (~3 gallons) be used for the wort = boils that I would add my malt extract and hops on the stovetop? TIA! Hoppy Brewing, Art McGregor (Northern Virgina) day: mcgregap at acq.osd night: apmcgregor at nmaa.org Return to table of contents
Date: 10 Jan 1997 12:33:15 -0800 From: Dion Hollenbeck <hollen at axel.vigra.com> Subject: Re: Welding Things >> Kelly C Heflin writes: KCH> Someone just wrote about stainless steel rusting after welding. KCH> As a welder and having just welded 3 stainless pots for myself, KCH> let me give my opinion. [...snip...] KCH> Take a wire brush or some steel wool and scrub the area KCH> around the nipple. This is not a good recommendation to make. Any metal finishing with steel on a stainless piece will embed small particles of steel in the stainless which *may* eventually rust. One should never recommend using steel wool on stainless. Stainless steel scrubbers are not even a good recommendation because being the same hardness as the other SS, they will tend to scratch it and those scratches can be sites for corrosion to begin at. This is one of the reasons that in commercial production of stainless steel things that after all fabrication is done (usually the machining) that the pieces are passivated in nitric acid to eat the steel away. The best way to clean SS is the recommendation made by John Palmer, and that is an oxalic acid based cleanser and a ScotchBrite pad, or if you are actually trying to remove welding oxidation, UTP, a highly corrosive acid paste made specifically for that job. dion - -- Dion Hollenbeck (619)597-7080x164 Email: hollen at vigra.com http://www.vigra.com/~hollen Sr. Software Engineer - Vigra Div. of Visicom Labs San Diego, California Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 16:29:23 EST From: John C Peterson <petersonj1 at juno.com> Subject: Beer Bread I'm just a Freshman here and don't want to give you my opinion about brewing beer yet, but the best use I have found for the leftover beer in the bottom of the first fermenter is giving to my wife for making bread. It's excellent and tastes better than sourdough bread. Email me for the recipe. Have your loved one make up a batch, some stew, get a homebrew and you are set for the winter. John Peterson petersonj1 at juno.com Freshman Brewers visit me at: http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/6841 Return to table of contents
Date: 10 Jan 97 16:47:38 EST From: "Kenneth D. Joseph" <74651.305 at CompuServe.COM> Subject: labels Bert, I've had great luck using plain old paper with my color bubble jet. I format the page for Avery 5164 labels (6 to a sheet), then use an exacto blade or a paper cutter to cut. For "special occasions" like Christmas/Hannukah Sparkling Cider gifts, I used a fancy recycled stock purchased from Wal-Mart, with equal success. I attach them to the bottles with one of those paste sticks. The labels come right off when soaked in water. I have also started a collection of one empty bottle of each batch. My wife sprayed some kind of lacquer on the "permanent bottles" to protect the labels from discoloration. Welcome to brewing -- enjoy!!! kj Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 17:02:06 -0500 From: Andrew Quinzani <quinzani at mdc.net> Subject: Labels Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 13:41:46 CST From: "Bert H. Chew" <bchew at juno.com> Subject: Labels Hi everyone, I am about ready to bottle my first batch. I would like to make labels with my PC. I was wondering if anyone knew of some good label stock to use with an inkjet printer that would be EASY to remove after the bottles were empty? Thanks Bert H. Chew bchew at juno.com I use just good old white or colored paper...thing is with Inkjet is that the colors or even the black and white ink will run...but I got around that one, Get to an art supply store and get a can of clear acrylic sealer. Spray you labels with this after they are printed out. Let dry and they will never run! As for the glue..... I use good old MILK, yes, I said milk. Pour some milk in a small dish and run the BACK of the label over it, no sence in getting the top wet. Lay it on the bottle and hold one conner with your thumb and with a dish towel dry the label off,....gently rub untill all the air is gone from under it. This will stay on untill you soak it and it floats right off. -=Q=- "Q" Brew Brewery...Home of Hairy Chest Ale - ------------------------------------------------------------ quinzani at mdc.net Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 14:33:08 PST From: Joseph Kral <kral at hpljlk.hpl.hp.com> Subject: Re: Rust on welds > Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 07:28:24 -0600 > From: Jim Nasiatka-Wylde <Jwylde at interaccess.com> > Subject: Re: Metallurgy Question > > > > >Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:57:01 -0800 > >From: George De Piro <George_De_Piro at berlex.com> > >Subject: Metallurgy question (George De Piro) > > > > Hi all, > > > > Yet another metallurgy question; perhaps we should change this to an > > engineering forum... > > > > I had some free welding done to put nipples on my stainless steel > > kettles (get your mind out of the gutter). The guy must have > > overheated the metal on one of them because the area around the weld > > rusted after just a few hours in contact with water! > > > > Is there a way to make it stainless again, or am I now the proud owner > > of a 15.5 gallon sort-of-stainless conversation piece? > > Hey George - > > What you have run into is typical with most SS Welding. What happened is > that the oxide layer that prohibits stainless from rusting got wiped out > by the welding process, and you need to give it some time to 'recondition' > itself and reform the layer. > > Lightly sand the areas down to clean bare metal again, and let it sit for > several days (maybe a week or so if you have the patience) and then it > should be ok. This is assuming that it is stainless, and the welder did > use SS welding rod with a decent MIG/TIG torch. > > Good luck! > Actually what has happened here is a change in the crystalline structure of the metal. Most pots and utensiles are a 300 series stailess which is an Austenitic stainless. Welding causes the formation of ferrites. The material around the welds is now a Ferritic stainless (like some 400 series). You will also find that the material around the welds has lost its non-magnetic properties. Sanding or otherwise cleaning the surface will not fix it. It is permanent. This problem is common and well known. - -- Joseph Kral Hewlett-Packard Laboratories kral at hpljlk.hpl.hp.com Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 17:28 -0600 From: BAYEROSPACE <M257876 at sl1001.mdc.com> Subject: the sucking thing collective homebrew conscience: i saw a review in an issue of zymurgy a few years ago for a siphon starting device called "the sucking thing". does anyone know if it's still being made/sold? brew hard, mark bayer Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 17:03:23 -0700 (MST) From: Agnor Craig <Craig.Agnor at Colorado.EDU> Subject: RIMS pump? Santa has brought me a pump. Is it suitable to use in a RIMS? Actually a friend of mine won this pump in the HOPS/BOPS homebrew contest about a month ago and wasn't sure what to do with it and gave it to me. The pump is a Hartell Leakprook Magnetic Drive Pump Model CP-3B-1A The pump is cylindrical with about a 4 inch diameter and the following specs are printed on its side 1500 rpm 115 Volts 60 Hertz .48 Amps The two-page brochure that came with the pump is a general bulletin which describes the basic function of the line of pumps produced by Hartell and their uses (hot and cold water circulation up to 200F and 150 psig,...etc). Has anyone used this pump, or a very similar one, in a RIMS system? Can anyone direct me to a design or set of plans for using this pump in a RIMS (I already mash in a 10 gallon Gott cooler with a Phils Phalse Bottom in case there is a design for a Gott RIMS )? If this pump isn't going to be used in a RIMS, what other homebrewing applications could this pump be used for? Any help would be appreciated. Cheers, Craig Agnor agnor at colorado.edu Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 11:29:37 +1100 (EST) From: Mark Preston <prestonm at labyrinth.net.au> Subject: Have Questions Hi Fello Homebrewers, Could somone help me out with the following questions.. I have done some reading on aeration of wort with a fish tank pump, how does one go about keeping the air that is pumped into wort contamination free?? I have heard people in this arena refere to a chemical called Iodophor, used for sterilization/Sanertation. I live in Australia and have been unable to find this product. Does anyone out there in brew land know what the chemical ingrediants are of Iodophor? This may help with a substutite product or maybe Iodophor is sold under a diferant name here in Aus.. Thanx in advance Cheers Mark Preston prestonm at labyrinth.net.au Brewing Beer in Melbourne, Australia.. Return to table of contents
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