HOMEBREW Digest #4222 Wed 16 April 2003

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  Re: Target Hops (Jim Wilson)
  Re: Tap-a-Draft Bottles, aeration (David Radwin)
  RE: wyeast (John Schnupp)
  re: Tap-a-Draft Bottles (John Schnupp)
  RE: How do you aerate? ("Dan Gross")
  low alcohol ale/kidney infection (=?iso-8859-1?q?Alex=20Lawton?=)
  HOw to keep the stuff in the kettle ("Spencer W. Thomas")
  Oxalate ("A.J. deLange")
  RE: Cheap bottles (Michael Hartsock)
  Sterling Hops (nlkanous)
  Re: What's all that stuff in our beer!?! (Todd Goodman)
  Target Hops ("Kevin Morgan")
  turkey fryers (Nancy & George)
  bittering hops - all the same? ("Hofmann, Chris")
  Target hops ("Joseph Gerteis")
  Newbie Lager Brewing (mhewitt)
  Spirit of Free Beer XI (Andy) NSSC" <AndersonRW at NAVSEA.NAVY.MIL>
  misinformation (Wil)
  aeration, and kegging directly after primary ("Steve Dale-Johnson")
  Sterling Hops (Stephen Johnson)
  RE;Weizen yeast ("Fred Scheer")
  Re: SWMBO ("Fred Scheer")
  RE:sterling hops ("Fred Scheer")
  RE:  How do you aerate? (Bill Tobler)

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:17:04 -0700 From: Jim Wilson <jgwilson at adelphia.net> Subject: Re: Target Hops Pat Reddy wrote: I am trying to recreate a recipe I made a few years ago using Target hops but I'm having no luck finding them. I buy mine at <www.steinfillers.com >. Jim Wilson o \o __o /\ / `\ <> `\ `> `\ > (*)/ (*) (*)/ (*) (*)/ (*) I ride my bicycle to ride my bicycle. Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:35:04 -0700 From: David Radwin <dradwin at sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: Tap-a-Draft Bottles, aeration > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 12:35:56 -0500 > From: "Val J. Lipscomb" <vlipscomb at satx.rr.com> > Surely someone makes a 6 liter PET bottle that'll work. > I have used the 3 liter coke bottles and they are great > but that wastes a lot of CO2. HELP!!! Since you are lucky enough to live in an area that sells soda in 3L bottles, try using 1 cartridge per 3L bottle instead of 2. It works for me. Incidentally, I have to get my 3L bottles from trips to other states. Does anyone happen to know of a store that sells them in the San Francisco area? > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:13:40 +0000 > From: "Dave Larsen" <hunahpumonkey at hotmail.com> > Subject: How do you aerate? > The second possibility are these impeller things that people attach to a > drill: the Mix-Stir Aerator and the Fizz-X Aerator. I'd never heard of > those before I saw them on a web page: > > http://www.thegrape.net/browse.cfm/2,1325.html I used to use a cheap ($3?) plastic mash paddle I bought at LHBS. I cut off the end of the handle and chucked in my 1/2" drill. If your drill is smaller, you could cut or sand down the end of the handle to size. Anyway, it seemed to aerate excellently. David in Berkeley CA - -- David Radwin news at removethispart.davidradwin.com Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:47:45 -0700 (PDT) From: John Schnupp <johnschnupp at yahoo.com> Subject: RE: wyeast From: Michael Hartsock <xd_haze at yahoo.com> >I use 750mL wine bottles, but I'm thinking of >switching to a jim beam 1/2 gal bottle. Good and >heavy with a handle. Why not go for a 4L table wine jug? That's an even bigger starter. I haven't brewed in almost a year. I'm not sure when I will brew again. I guess I'm on sabbatical. When I was brewing regularly, I used a wine jug. Kept it stored filled with iodaphor. You can check out of pictures of it and my stirrer at http://www.home.earthlink.net/~johnschnupp/starter/starter.htm ===== John Schnupp, N3CNL ??? Hombrewery [560.2, 68.6] Rennerian Georgia, VT 95 XLH 1200, Bumblebee Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: John Schnupp <johnschnupp at yahoo.com> Subject: re: Tap-a-Draft Bottles From: "Val J. Lipscomb" <vlipscomb at satx.rr.com> Subject: Tap-a-Draft Bottles >Surely someone makes a 6 liter PET bottle that'll work. >I have used the 3 liter coke bottles and they are great >but that wastes a lot of CO2. HELP!!! So why would a 3L bottle use more CO2 than a 6L bottle? It takes the same amount of CO2 to carbonate 6L of beer be it in one 6L bottle or two 3L bottles. ===== John Schnupp, N3CNL ??? Hombrewery [560.2, 68.6] Rennerian Georgia, VT 95 XLH 1200, Bumblebee Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 05:57:50 -0400 From: "Dan Gross" <degross at starpower.net> Subject: RE: How do you aerate? Dave Larsen asks about aeration techniques Dave, I tried an aquarium pump for a while but I didn't like all the foam it produced. I was probably letting it run too long without enough head space in the carboy but it seemed to foam over pretty quickly. I switched to a pure oxygen aerating system a couple of years ago. The stone, hose and regulator kit is available at various places on the web and homebrew shops. You buy a small bottle of O2 from the hardware store that lasts for quite a few batches. Aeration takes about a minute and there is not as much foaming. The kit comes with a chart giving you an idea of about how long to aerate. Dan Gross Olney, Md Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:18:23 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Alex=20Lawton?= <a_w_lawton at yahoo.co.uk> Subject: low alcohol ale/kidney infection John Fraser asked about a recipe for a low alcohol ale. One of my favourites is a half strength pale ale. For this I use 1 cane pale LME 12 oz medium DME 3 oz goldings (1 for 60, 1 for 15 and 1 for 5) Irish Moss for 15 mins This usually gives 4 UK gallons (5 US) OG 1032-1035 FG 1005-1008 (not sure what alcohol that gives) 1 week primary, 2 secondary both at 15C This is perfect to knock back whilst sitting in the garden. Strictly speaking its not an english session bitter, too pale and hoppy for that. When I want one of those I substitute crystal malt for the DME and use 1 oz fuggles and 1 oz goldings. On a different matter - does anyone know anything about kidney infections and homebrew? A few weeks ago SWMBO got a kidney infection 24 hours after drinking some scrumpy cider I Made. I drank half of the bottle with her and was unaffected, there were also no unusual off tastes I could detect. No one else who tried the cider was similarly affected. Am I innocent? Alex Lawton Winchester UK Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:56:24 -0400 From: "Spencer W. Thomas" <spencer at umich.edu> Subject: HOw to keep the stuff in the kettle One word: Whirlpool. If you stir the wort so that it forms a whirlpool, and then let it slow to a stop naturally, you will find that almost all of the hops and trub form into a cone in the center of the kettle. If your drain is at the edge, then you can drain off almost-clear wort. I've got a picture of my kettle with such a cone, after having racked off most of the beer so you can really see it well. http://hubris.umich.jstor.org/~spencer/images/whirlpool_cone.jpg =Spencer Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:17:56 +0000 From: "A.J. deLange" <ajdel at cox.net> Subject: Oxalate One of the reasons typically listed for having a healthy calcium level going into the mash tun is in order to be sure that enough makes it through the entire brewing process into the beer to insure that calcium oxalate will precipitate. So presumably if you follow this advice and then filter or allow for settling your beer should be oxalate free. My uncle, who has had trouble with stones, has been told all beer is laden with oxalates and to avoid it like the plague. A.J. Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 06:22:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Hartsock <xd_haze at yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Cheap bottles The cheapest bottles are the free ones at the recycling center. They will either let you go in and carry a couple of bags out or sell them to you very very cheap by the pound. Nearly all my bottles came into my possession that way. Usually regional brewery bottles are the best, they tend to be the heaviest and the labels usually come out easy. See that no smoker has ashed in to the bottle and an overnight soaking in a 5% bleach solution is suffiient to clean and usually remove lables with minimal scrubbing. mike one-eyed pico-brewing ===== "May those who love us, love us. And those that don't love us, May God turn their hearts. And if he doesn't turn their hearts, may he turn their ankles So we'll know them by their limping." Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:25:10 -0400 From: nlkanous at netscape.net Subject: Sterling Hops Good Morning, Doug Marion asks about Sterling hops. Well Doug, the Classic American Pilsner that I qualified for the MCAB with last year was made entirely with Sterling hops. How do Sterling hops compare to Saaz? Hmmm...they're pretty close but not the same. First of all, if you try to use similar amounts for flavor / aroma, you're getting more bitterness from those additions also. My current incarnation of the CAP is on tap with nothing but Sterling hops. It's more bitter than I'd like. The aroma and flavor of the Sterling hops is close but not quite as "soft" maybe? I'd say that these are a bit more resinous than Saaz, but it could have something to do with the level of bitterness of the beer. All in all, I'm quite happy with the Sterling hops as a substitute for Saaz in my pilsner. I'll probably switch back and forth as I continue making pilsners...one with Saaz, one with Sterling....until I get it just right. Go for it, my experience with Sterling hops has been good and if qualifying for the MCAB in the pilsner category with an "all Sterling" beer is any indicator of whether they are appropriate, then I guess it's a reasonable hop to use. Good luck with the Sterlings. nathan in madison, wi Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:44:44 -0400 From: Todd Goodman <tsg at bonedaddy.net> Subject: Re: What's all that stuff in our beer!?! In HBD #4221, Omar <omarandbecca at visi.com> wrote: > I got a new wort kettle, converted keg from Sabco, and boiled [SNIP] > Anyone have any suggestions on what I should do to keep > that junk in the kettle? I also boil in a Sabco converted keg and use the bulkhead to draw off the boiled wort. However, I have a false bottom in my boil kettle and always brew with some whole hops or plugs, even if I have some pellets as well. The whole hops tend to make a nice filter bed on the false bottom and I don't get much junk carried over into the primary. I also rack off the primary into a secondary about a week into the fermentation. Todd Getting his I-beam and hoist set up in Westford. MA [630.3, 84] Apparent Rennerian Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:58:31 -0400 From: "Kevin Morgan" <kevin.morgan2 at verizon.net> Subject: Target Hops Northernbrewer has target pellets available >Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:16:14 -0500 >From: "Reddy, Pat" <Pat.Reddy at mavtech.cc> >Subject: Target Hops >I am trying to recreate a recipe I made a few years ago using Target hops >but I'm having no luck finding them. >Can anyone recommend a suitable substitute hop to Target? Thanks. >Pat Reddy >MAVERICK Technologies >Pat.reddy at mavtech.cc Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:13:14 -0400 From: Nancy & George <homsweet at voicenet.com> Subject: turkey fryers We recently purchased a turkey fryer/burner combo at Lowe's for $25, pre-season sale. They're now up to $30 (it pays to think ahead!) but have an enamel on steel 30 qt. pot with a good burner. Threw enough heat out to melt a good space in the driveway during the President's Day weekend snow storm...if you keep your feet warm, anything is possible. Nancy Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:12:37 -0500 From: "Hofmann, Chris" <Chris.Hofmann at camtronics.com> Subject: bittering hops - all the same? Went to my local homebrew store recently to pick up batch ingredients. Actually, and sadly, my supplier of the last five years had closed down so I was going to the "other guy". The 60 minute bittering hops I had spec'd for my brew were Galena. In the past for the same brew I had used Centennial. This guy lectured me on the fact that in the end, all bittering hops were the same. By the time you boil 'em for 60 minutes, there ain't no difference in flavor. All your doing is extracting bitterness, he said. He only carried one variety, Nugget, so he could always ensure freshness. That's the most important thing, he said. He said I wouldn't be able to tell any difference. I was skeptical. But what choice did I have? I bought the Nugget. Made the batch and guess what? I can tell a difference. What do you all think of his argument? Is there any merit? -Chris Hofmann Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:11:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joseph Gerteis" <joseph540 at elvis.com> Subject: Target hops Hi, Pat Reddy asked about substitutes for Target hops. Well, if you like Target, you might not have to substitute at all. Northern Brewer (the store) stocks Target, and I imagine they get this through one of the big suppliers, so I know it is available. Failing that, Northern Brewer hops might work well as as a substitute; Horizon or Nugget might work well too. I've used Target (and NB) in place of Horizon, though not the other way round. I've only used these as substitutes for bittering though -- you might want to go with Goldings or Progress or something like that for flavor/aroma additions. Here's what the Northern Brewer website has to say about Target: Typical alpha: 7.0 - 9.0%. Target is the most widely grown English hop variety. Bread as a cross between Northern Brewer and Kent Goldings, it is an all-purpose English hop useful for both bittering and aroma. Best, Joe Gerteis Minneapolis MN - ------------------------------------------------- Get your free at Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! http://www.elvis.com Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:06:46 -0500 (CDT) From: mhewitt at publicnetworking.org Subject: Newbie Lager Brewing I'm planning to brew a batch of Maerzen/Oktoberfest and, being an inexperienced lager brewer, have a few questions about mashing, cold fermentation and lagering: 1. Mashing: If I use German Pilsner malt is it necessary to do a protein rest or is it just a good idea? 2. Chilling/Pitching: I have a refrgerator and controller and will be able to ferment amd lager at proper temps but am not sure how to get the process started. My immersion chiller will not chill the wort to fermentation temp. Should I: 1. Chill the wort to fermentation temp in a holding tank and then rack, into a primary fermentor, aerate and pitch a chilled yeast starter? It seems to me that if I do this I'd be inviting unwanted microbes to dinner by extending the lag time during the chilling. OR 2. Chill as much as possible with my imersion chiller, aerate and pitch yeast and put the wort in the fridge. This would reduce the lag but things may start too warm. 3. Finally lagering: Should I rack at the end of primary fermentation and bulk lager for 6 or 8 weeks and then inject new yeast at bottling. OR Can I prime and bottle at the end of secondary fermentation as I do for ales and lager in the bottle Thanks to the list for lots of great info on brewing! Mike Hewitt Kansas City, MO - ----------------------------------------- This email was sent using SquirrelMail. "Webmail for nuts!" http://squirrelmail.org/ Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:13:38 -0400 From: "Anderson Robert W (Andy) NSSC" <AndersonRW at NAVSEA.NAVY.MIL> Subject: Spirit of Free Beer XI Brewers United for Real Potables (BURP) would like to take this opportunity to invite you to enter Spirit of Free Beer XI! Our annual homebrew competition will be held May 17 at the Old Dominion Brewing Company in Ashburn, Virginia. Once again, Spirit of Free Beer will be a qualifying event for the Masters Championship of Amateur Brewing (MCAB). Last year, we exceeded our expectations with over 400 entries. This year we will continue our tradition of offering the finest prizes to entrants, including homebrew shop gift certificates, brewerania, and opportunities to brew your recipe at local brew pubs. For judges and stewards we offer our usual fine lunch fare and a rewarding experience amongst some of the best beer judges and beer folk on the east coast. Our window for entries into this year's event is from Saturday, April 26 until Friday, May 9 with entries also be accepted at the BURP meeting on Saturday, May 10. Information can be found on our Web Page at http://www.burp.org/events/sofb/2003/. If you have any questions on the competition, feel free to contact the organizers at events at burp.org. Registration for judging can be done through our judge coordinator at judges at burp.org Stewards can register at stewards at burp.org We hope you are able to help us this year by entering a beer or coming out to judge or steward. FREE BEER!!!! Tom Cannon Betsy Kepler Spirit of Free Beer XI Organizers Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 18:15:01 GMT From: Wil at thebeermanstore.com Subject: misinformation Jeff stated >I am sure that this is a bit of misinformation that keeps getting >repeated. I've seen other examples. I have a few example..perhaps others have some too. 1) Canadian beer is stronger. 2) If beer gets warm after being cold it will "go bad". 2a) If beer gets warm after being cold it will "skunk". 3) I don't like ales, they are to dark". 4) If you sell beer you must be able to get ANY beer in the world and sell it to me. 5) I get drunker faster when drinking draft beer and not bottle/can beer. 6) I get a bigger hangover when I drink draft beer and not bottle/can beer. (both have to do with people drink MUCH more when drinking draft beer over bottles/cans) 7) It has that import smell (I didn't make this up) 8) Bock beer is from the bottom of the barrel/fermentor and only comes out during spring cleaning at the brewery. 9) Will you fill my empty keg with bud/miller/coors for me ( I get this daily people..and they really want me to hook it up to a bud/miller/coors tank and fill it for them, I asked...) 10) Export33 (or any other asian beer) is made with Formaldehyde. And last but not least... 11) Yuengling and fat tire are the two BEST beers in the world! (only because we can't get them in South Carolina) Wil Kolb The Beer Man Plaza at East Cooper 607 B Johnnie Dodds Blvd Mt. Pleasant SC 29464 843-971-0805 Fax 843-971-3084 www.thebeermanstore.com Wil at thebeermanstore.com God bless America! Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:44:10 -0700 From: "Steve Dale-Johnson" <sdalejohnson at hotmail.com> Subject: aeration, and kegging directly after primary Dave Larsen is wondering how the rest of the world aerates their wort. I still have not hooked up the little bernz-o-matic O2 cylinder as cranking up the fizz-x seems to do such a good job. Turns 5 gallons of wort into about 7.5 gallons of Beer Julius in about 2 minutes. I also add yeast nutrient at this point and then dump in a quart starter after. Lag times are rarely more than 3-4 hours. I use a cordless 18 volt drill that has been liberally sprayed (but not inside the vents)with StarSan. Doesn't seem to have wrecked anything yet, unless you count the time that I let it get too close to the wort surface and it bathed my basement in stout splatter. On another note, Pat helped clear up why I was having problems posting, as one of my lines finished with the word *end* and triggered a glitch with the server where the line got deleted. So there - I'm not insane after all. The short question of my previous post in question is whether anyone has tried transfering to a corny keg directly from the primary, priming with a little less sugar and letting it finish and carbonate in one step. Does the small amount of yeast run the risk of off flavours from autolysis, or is this about the same as in a normal bottle priming/keg priming?? I've shortened a couple dip tubes 1" and am trying it with an irish red ale and wyeast 1084, just wondering if I will need to transfer or if I can leave it as is and just drink it. Steve Dale-Johnson Brewing at (1918, 298) Miles Apparent Rennerian Vancouver, BC, Canada. Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 20:06:14 -0500 From: Stephen Johnson <sjohnson3 at comcast.net> Subject: Sterling Hops Doug Marion (from some undisclosed location) wonders about Sterling hops. I did a beer with these last summer with the purpose of making a very light beer to have available for samples promoting our club at a local beer festival. I needed to ferment it quickly, and also didn't want to take up a whole lot of a brew day by doing an all-grain batch. So I did a short boil extract batch, cutting down the boil to 45 min. Some whole Saaz (2 oz of 2.8 alpha) and pellet Sterling (1 oz of 6.2 alpha) hops went in at the 30 min. mark (counting down), and then I followed up with some more Saaz (2 oz of 2.8 alpha) at the 5 min. mark before shutting off and chilling. Members of our local club liked it, as did the festival-goers (empty keg at the end of the day), but our experienced club member tasters commented on the "grassy" character that this beer had. I attributed it to the Sterling hops, although with a typical lagering process, this may have faded over time. In my case, the beer went from kettle to keg in about 5 weeks time using Wyeast 1056 slurry from one of our local brewpubs, Boscos (Thanks, Fred!). After the initial ferment, I did crash cool it before racking into a keg, and had it sitting in the keg for nearly 4 weeks at 34F. I probably will give Sterling hops another try with a true lager yeast and a pilsner malt based wort in the future. Just one data point... Steve Johnson Music City Brewers Nashville, TN Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 20:29:42 -0500 From: "Fred Scheer" <FHopheads at msn.com> Subject: RE;Weizen yeast The question about 4 Vinyl Guaiacal is more complicated than you think. I presented a paper in 1989 (I'm not sure anymore) at the MBAA Convention in Monterey, Mexico, about production of Light Beers produced by certain amounts of adjuncts and fermented with different strains of lager yeast. Part of the analysis performed for the paper was the analysis of 4 VG. Not wanting to go to deep into the subject, I can tell you that with increased adjunct levels, the 4 VG also increased. I found that at levels of 20%, the 4 VG level started to increase. I did the pilot brews on a 15 gallon pilot system at my time in F'muth, MI. Second question if they all use the same yeast for Weizenbier, NO, I don't think so. If you call DOEMENS or WEIHENSTEPHAN in Munich, you get a list of available WEIZENBIER yeast to select from. Fred Scheer Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 20:33:22 -0500 From: "Fred Scheer" <FHopheads at msn.com> Subject: Re: SWMBO Jeff: ONLY thinking about the subject makes me mad; because.. a 1960s movie with UA; John Campbell ..I will tell LINDA what type of movies you watch. Man are we getting old???? Fred Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 20:42:41 -0500 From: "Fred Scheer" <FHopheads at msn.com> Subject: RE:sterling hops Doug: I used STERLING Hops (whole hops) in some of our casks (Only one's in a while) only to see the impact of the hop character on certain beers (ales). So far, I can tell you I'm not impressed; in Pale ales and 3 Lagers I did not got the expected flavor profile. I just finished with a 5 gal Pils(n)er, finish hops Sterling; and I'm disappointed about the hop flavor. Maybe somebody else has a different experience???? Fred Scheer Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 20:44:23 -0500 From: Bill Tobler <wctobler at sbcglobal.net> Subject: RE: How do you aerate? Dave Larsen is asking about how we aerate our wort. Dave, when I first started out, I used to just shake the jeebees out of the carboy. (What is a "Jeebee anyway?) Then I tried the aquarium pump trick, but got a lot of foam, and you had to aerate for a long time. Now I use pure O2. You can get the small bottles at the hardware store for 7 or 10 dollars and a regulator and SS stone from one of the larger homebrew shops. I hear they work good. I happen to have an O2/acedlyne rig in the garage, and the O2 bottle does double duty in the brewery. Just one or two minutes of bubbling and you're done. I made a SS wand that the SS stone attaches to and it just takes a few minutes to get set up. I was going to build an inline aerator like some people have, but they look like more work than what I'm doing now. Bill Tobler Lake Jackson, TX (1129.7, 219.9) Apparent Rennerian Return to table of contents
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