HOMEBREW Digest #429 Thu 31 May 1990

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		Rob Gardner, Digest Coordinator

  British Ingredients (John Mellby)
  Re: Incidents in two Brewpubs (Todd Koumrian)
  Red Star again and again (florianb)
  Doric Ale Yeast (CORONELLRJDS)
  Re: Wyeast bursting (John Polstra)
  Re: Weiss Beer, culture yeast (John Polstra)
  Doric Ale Yeast (Martin A. Lodahl)
  Red Star (again) (Dick Dunn)
  Doric yeast (Doug Roberts)
  AHA National Conference (Chuck Cox)

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 May 90 08:15 EDT From: "As I mentioned next week in my talk on reversible time..." From HOMEBREW Digest, Wed 30 May 1990: > Question #2: This fungus doesn't "hurt" the beer, but it hurts my > perception of it, which is important. Does anybody have any > experience with all-kitchen sanitation? Sorry I can't help with any of the other questions, but this one is relatively easy to handle. Simple kitchen sterilization involves detergent, some elbow grease, and water OVER 140 degrees F. When anything is kept in water this hot for a few minutes, nothing except certain bugs found in deep sea vents can survive, even the dreaded Giardia, or Montezuma's Revenge. This method has worked well in my laboratories at the college, and I have used it at home for years and avoided several nasties. Hope this helps. Be careful and don't scald yourself... By the way, we have an interesting thing on our VAX here called Notes Conference. Insted of getting all the Digests through raw bitnet, it comes in to one spot and then send to a "notebook" where signups like myself can access it, extract it, and reply. Is anyone else using VMS utilities, or is everyone Bitnet? Capt. Kirk ===^=== *=========== "Keptin, Sir! It's a \ // Klingon Battlecruiser!" ========== AYDLETT at UNCG.BITNET Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 30 May 90 11:16:14 CDT From: jmellby at ngstl1.csc.ti.com (John Mellby) Subject: British Ingredients Demerara sugar (since my wife uses this in her tea) is a much rawer sugar than Turbinado sugar. We have gotten it in the local British food store in Dallas, and I believe in the Simon David's (local high-quality food store). Lyles Golden Syrup is available locally in a number of the larger, high-quality supermarkets, so it is possible that a large general purpose store would have it (near the corn sugar or syrup). I believe my wife got some black treacle in the same section, again in a general supermarket, albeit a very large one. Thus, these ingredients are available. If you can't find them and can't mail order to British food stores, you might find a grocery, especially the gourmet ones, which could do a special order for you. John R. Mellby jmellby at ngstl1.ti.com Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 30 May 90 10:26:58 PDT From: todd at NISC.SRI.COM (Todd Koumrian) Subject: Re: Incidents in two Brewpubs Boy, you are brave to have gone to Bison in a suit. I avoid that place since there are usually too many bikers around to make me comfortable, and that whole Telegraph area is really getting pretty scummy these days. It's too bad. Send out a message to the list before you go and I'm sure you can get several good recommendations for brewpubs in the area. For instance, only about 8 or 9 blocks away on University and Shattuck is Triple Rock, and there are others a bit further away. If anyone is heading to Salt Lake City, I can recommend the Squatter's Pub 2 blocks south of the Salt Palace Convention Center (3 blocks south of Temple Square). 3 Regular beers plus a seasonal/special brew. Samplers available and the food is quite good (sandwiches, pizzas, pasta, meat, light pub fare) and the place is pretty hip. I was tipped off to this place a couple weeks back during a business trip there from someone on the plane. Todd Koumrian Return to table of contents
Date: 30 May 90 11:05:16 PDT (Wed) From: florianb%tekred.cna.tek.com at RELAY.CS.NET Subject: Red Star again and again I haven't done any limb-climbing in a while, so I can't let the Red Star controversy go by again without carrying a banner. The recent razing over Red Star once more attempts to put it in the dog house. In a recent communication with Pete Soper, he shared with me the results of some research he did regarding the use of yeasts in AHA winning recipes. May I quote you, Pete? I'm going to anyway. In the years 1987-89, dry yeasts won 79% of the top 38 entries. Of these, Red Star took 34%, and Red Star was #4 and #5 overall. EDME came out #1 overall, with 24%. Now if RS is so bad, how does it produce winning homebrews? Why was it listed recently in the Steinbart's newsletter as being one of the lowest in bacterial content? May I offer an explanation? Due to the fact that beer is mainly water, the purity and mineral content of water is a strong factor in the quality of beer produced with it. Yeasts react to their overall environment, including such factors as water quality, temperature, volume, density, and so on. Any type of yeast can do poorly under the wrong conditions. For those who find problems using Red Star, perhaps it doesn't like the water they are using, or some other factor in the brewing process. In the region where I live, the water is mainly runoff from the Cascades. This water makes good beer when I use Red Star Lager yeast. However, when I use the Wyeast Lager yeasts, I just don't get good results. On the other hand, I get good results from using EDME ale yeast, but poorer results when using Red Star Ale yeast. The explanation must, in my opinion, have to do with the water and other fermentation conditions. I simply cannot make any intelligent generalizations about different types of yeasts by throwing them into a doghouse. Hey, experiment, and find what works best for you! Now where can I buy "Dogbolter," anyway? Florian Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 30 May 90 13:29 MST From: CORONELLRJDS at CHE.UTAH.EDU Subject: Doric Ale Yeast About Doric ale yeast: Just last night, I checked the 1989 special issue of Zymurgy, and remeber reading that Doric had one of the highest initial viable yeast concentrations, and one of the lowest contamination levels. In the taste test, Doric was given a grade of 4 (out of 10) by their panel of experts, and was rated "average". Bare in mind, though, that these tests weren't really representative of an average of any brand, since they made no attempt to reproduce their results over a period of time. (It's well known that samples of yeast from any given manufacturer vary substantially over time.) My partner and I have used this brand a few times, with good results. Doric ale yeast is definitely a fast starting yeast. Our uneducated palates never detected any off flavors. Beer's to yeast, Chuck Coronella CORONELLRJDS at CHEMICAL.UTAH.EDU Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 30 May 90 08:57:27 PDT From: hplabs!polstra!jdp (John Polstra) Subject: Re: Wyeast bursting In HBD #427, Ed Sieja <ems!ems at uunet.UU.NET> describes a recent experience with exploding Wyeast: > I placed it on the counter and applied the usual pressure with the base > of my palm and *BLAM* the thing just exploded - sending yeast and wort > on the counter and floor. That happened to me a couple of times with the old-style packets. Finally, I discovered THE SECRET to success with Wyeast: *IGNORE* the directions printed on the packet! In particular, *IGNORE* the part that says to use the palm of your hand. I don't know about your palm, but mine is just not localized enough. Instead, make a fist and bring it down smartly onto the center of the Wyeast packet. Your fist should be vertical, i.e., thumb toward the ceiling, pinky toward the floor. It works -- first time, every time. No more chasing the inner yeast packet from side to side after it has broken loose from the outer envelope without bursting. No more escalating frustration culminating in a make-my-day whack that inoculates the entire kitchen. Homebrewers unite for yeast disarmament! - John Polstra jdp at polstra.uucp Polstra & Co., Inc. practic!polstra!jdp at uunet.uu.net Seattle, Washington USA ...{uunet,sun,pyramid}!practic!polstra!jdp (206) 932-6482 Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 30 May 90 09:22:06 PDT From: hplabs!polstra!jdp (John Polstra) Subject: Re: Weiss Beer, culture yeast In HBD #428, boubez at caip.rutgers.edu (Toufic Boubez) asks: > What makes a weiss beer what it is? Two things: (1) wheat malt (duh), and (2) the yeast. My personal experience is with Bavarian weiss beers (I travel to Munich once in a while on business). I don't know much about the other varieties. Anyway, the typical Bavarian weiss beer has around 60% wheat malt. Even more important to the character of the beer, in my opinion, is the yeast that is used. It gives the beer a distinct spicy aroma -- to me, it smells just like cloves. Luckily, Wyeast sells such a yeast: #3056 Bavarian Weizen, they call it. I used it once, and it worked great. If you can't get the Wyeast, you might try using Vierka lager yeast (a dry yeast). It produces that same clove-like aroma. (But, use the Wyeast if at all possible.) For more information about wheat beers, check out the Spring 1989 issue of Zymurgy (Vol. 12, No. 1). Now, I can't resist some editorial comment / flaming / whining: If you make a good *authentic* weiss beer, don't expect it to fare well in a US contest. Many beer judges have never tasted the real thing. When they do, they don't like it. They make ignorant criticisms such as, "a little hazy," and then take off points for appearance. (Authentic Bavarian weiss beers are served very young and are usually way too *cloudy* to possibly detect any "haze".) Also, many inexperienced judges dislike the spicy aroma of weiss beer and think something is wrong with it. Flame off. I feel better now. - John Polstra jdp at polstra.uucp Polstra & Co., Inc. practic!polstra!jdp at uunet.uu.net Seattle, Washington USA ...{uunet,sun,pyramid}!practic!polstra!jdp (206) 932-6482 Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 30 May 90 9:12:23 PDT From: Martin A. Lodahl <hplabs!pbmoss!mal> Subject: Doric Ale Yeast In HOMEBREW Digest #428, Cher Feinstein asked: > ... y'all have got > me convinced that Red Star yeast is a Bad Thing ... > ... will anyone comment on Doric, which is the other >brand of dry yeast I happen to have on hand? This is based on an inadequate sample: one batch. It was, however, a rather good batch! I'd used pretty much the same (porter) recipe with Red Star, and used it again later with Edme. The Doric version (different only in hopping from the Red Star batch) had a mild, sweet flavor, with no obvious faults. The Edme batch was slightly different, in that I'd added 8 oz of wheat malt, and was MUCH drier in flavor, also with no obvious faults. The Doric batch scared me a bit by starting fermentation VERY slowly, and never seeming to do much. It formed a thin layer of anemic-looking foam atop the wort, and bubbled very slowly. I suspect one reason for Red Star's lingering popularity is that it really gets with the program; very reassuring to the brewer. In the final analysis, I didn't use Doric again because I was worried about an infection developing during that long lag time, and because I was looking for more attenuation than it delivered. = Martin A. Lodahl Pac*Bell Minicomputer Operations Support Staff = = pacbell!pbmoss!mal -or- mal at pbmoss.Pacbell.COM 916.972.4821 = = If it's good for ancient Druids, runnin' nekkid through the wuids, = = Drinkin' strange fermented fluids, it's good enough for me! 8-) = Return to table of contents
Date: 30 May 90 19:02:49 MDT (Wed) From: hplabs!gatech!ico.isc.com!raven!rcd (Dick Dunn) Subject: Red Star (again) roberts%studguppy at LANL.GOV (Doug Roberts) writes, among some reasonable commnts about Red Star: > 3. Personal, comparitive experience: Another member of my home brew > club (The HillHoppers, of Los Alamos) and I brewed identical brown ale > recipes. My starting gravity was 1.042 and his was 1.043. My end > gravity was 1.008, his was was 1.022. My brown ale was a nice, dry > London brown; his was cloyingly sweet because Red Star is not very > attenuative, _and_ it was highly phenolic to boot. There's something a lot more wrong than just Red Star yeast here! A "less attenuative" yeast might give you something like 1.012 instead of 1.008, but landing way up at 1.022 says there's something faulty in the procedure or perhaps just-plain-damaged yeast. (By the latter, I don't mean poor quality; I mean yeast that's way too old, or has been sitting in a refrigerator, or some such.) > ...I would also like to see Red Star go the way of the > dinosaur. I feel it's time has passed (the same way Pabst Blue Ribbon's > "Dietetic Malt" time has come and gone)... Erk? Perhaps Premier Malt Products Blue Ribbon Diastatic Malt? (As much as Premier is a relic of times gone by, I'd still hate to see their name sullied by association with Pabst.:-) Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 30 May 90 19:50:02 MDT From: roberts%studguppy at LANL.GOV (Doug Roberts) Subject: Doric yeast [request for comments on Doric yeast] Well, I can't relate any first-hand experiences with Doric yeast, having never used it, but I can tell you what was said about it in the 1989 Special Yeast issue of Zymurgy. It seems that there are two kinds of Doric dry ale yeast: packet, and bulk. The packet variety was given a rating of "average", or 4 on a scale of 0 - 10, and the description of the qualities that it imparted to the wort were "phenolic, fruity, apple". The bulk variety of Doric also recieved a rating of "average", with a numeric score of 6 out of 10 and the comments "phenolic, cidery, fruity, slightly sour". Additionally, (and this part doesn't make sense to me) the packet variety had a "low" lactic count (57), whereas the bulk had a "high" lactic count (1,435). This might explain the "slightly sour" descriptive given the bulk variety, but would also tend to indicate that your batches made with bulk Doric will go sour on you. For comparison, Red Star had an "intermediate" lactic count (417), as did Whitbread, (414). - --Doug ================================================================ Douglas Roberts | Los Alamos National Laboratory |I can resist anything Box 1663, MS F-609 | except temptation. Los Alamos, New Mexico 87545 | ... (505)667-4569 |Oscar Wilde dzzr at lanl.gov | ================================================================ Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 30 May 90 15:46:14 EDT From: chuck%bose at uunet.UU.NET (Chuck Cox) Subject: AHA National Conference Howdy- I decided to go ahead and provide more info about the AHA 1990 National Homebrewers Conference. However, any truly serious homebrewer should already be a member of the AHA, and will have received this info in Zymurgy. *** SCHEDULE ($$$ means costs extra) *** Wed 6/13 Morning: Registration Beer Judge Certification Exam $$$ Afternoon: Beer Evaluation Seminar $$$ National Competition Judging Evening Reception Thu 6/14 Morning: Welcome and Introduction Charlie Papazian The World of Malt Randy Mosher German Beer Dan Gordo Quality Homebrew Scott Birdwell Lunch: Slide show Bruce Prochal Afternoon: Corners of the Round Table panel Best of Show/Homebrewer of the Year judging Evening: Homebrew Club Night Fri 6/15 Morning: AHA Forum Charlie Papazian Essentials of Step Infusion Mashing Ron Downer Simplified Quality Control George Fix Carbonating Your Brew Byron Burch Afternoon: The Microbrewery and Brewpub Phenomenon Jeff Mendel Beer Blending ala Judy Judy Ashworth Slings of Outrageous Fortune Larry Bell Evening: Gala Awards Banquet Sat 6/16 Morning: Brew-in and Brunch at the Anchor Brewing Co. Beer Judge Certification Exam $$$ Lunch: Michael Jackson Luncheon $$$ Michael Jackson Afternoon: Beer and Brewing Exposition Evening: California Brewmasters' Tasting $$$ In the works: There is a Malibu GP race track in Oakland, I am going to try to organize a homebrewers race. *** FEES *** Full Conference $240 (members) $290 (non-members) Saturday Only $ 60 Spouse $120 Membership $ 21 Beer Judge Exam $ 40 Beer Evaluation Seminar $ 10 ($ 20 at door) Michael Jackson's Luncheon $ 25 California Brewmaster's Tasting $ 12 ($ 15 at door) 1990 Conference Transcripts $ 15 (members) $ 18 (non-members) check, money order, master card, visa accepted *** AHA *** American Homebrewers Association PO Box 287 Boulder, CO 80306 voice: (303) 447-0816 fax: (303) 447-2825 *** TRAVEL & LODGING *** United Airlines is offering discounts for travel to and from the Conference. Call (800) 521-4041, refer to meeting code 431DD. The conference is located in the Hyatt Regency Oakland Hotel, located in downtown Oakland, close to pulic transportation. Reservations (800) 233-1234 or (415) 893-1234. *** OPINIONS *** If you think $240 is a little steep, you're not alone. Cost is the most common complaint I hear. The conference does provide many activities, but I am not convinced they are worth $240, especially considering that the luncheon & tasting are extra. I seriously considered registering for the social stuff only, but what the hell, I'm an overpaid nerd, I can afford it. I also think that scheduling any activity before 12 noon (except the brew-in) is absurd. Afternoon sessions get about twice the attendence as morning sessions. None of the serious brewers are walking erect before noon. Not surprising considering that there are parties (I mean tasting and evaluation sessions) going on past 3am every night. - Chuck Cox - america's fastest beer judge - Return to table of contents
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