HOMEBREW Digest #4308 Mon 28 July 2003

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  Re: No Spam and beer colture (NO Spam)
  Herbs, Tannins, Sanitation (Alexandre Enkerli)
  re: Pacific Ridge PA (was: re: Anheuser world select) (Robert Marshall)
  RE: Kegging equipment (Michael Hartsock)
  Re:La Folie (Robert Sandefer)
  College, kids, and drinking (Robert Sandefer)
  Qc Attitudes (Alexandre Enkerli)
  Re: Colour Software ("tOM Trottier")
  Pilsner glasses with a nucleation site ("tOM Trottier")

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:31:42 -0400 From: NO Spam <nospam at brewbyyou.net> Subject: Re: No Spam and beer colture Jim, The discussion has been about binge drinking, and mainly in the context of young adults or college kids, and how they get their attitudes about alcohol and drinking. There has been alot of comment about lifestyle, growing up with alcohol, and how it has made a difference in people's choices. The previous poster stated that Canada doesn't have a problem with binge drinking on their college campuses. First, I'm not sure that's true. He also stated (incorrectly) that England has a problem with binge drinking, but doesn't have heavy taxes or any kind of prohibition. He obviously doesn't know much about the UK. The discussion was NOT in the context of responsible adults enjoying drinks (whatever drinks - beer, wine, mixed, other) in their local establishments. That is a whole 'nother topic. I gathered people are talking about why binge drinking occurs here more frequently than not on college campuses, once young people get away from their families and out on their own. The question is raised about lifestyles, parents attitudes, local laws, exposure to alcohol, and how any of this matters. So my remarks are in THAT context. And yes, when you examine college campus lifestyles in the US and look at the behavior of these kids, you'll find beer, beer, and beer. Maybe some grain alcohol and harder stuff, but I think very little wine. And kids at that age are not conniseuers. If they pair alcoholic beverages with food, bet its pizza and french fries. Knowing that wine is bigger among the French Canadians, I simply asked if that was a factor. Please do not be offended, I am not slandering you, Texas, or anybody or anyplace else. bill Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:22:05 -0400 From: Alexandre Enkerli <aenkerli at indiana.edu> Subject: Herbs, Tannins, Sanitation Been thinking about gruits and herb beers. In fact, my dream would be to brew a complex liqueur-like beer, a bit of a Chartreuse or Benedictine idea. Saw a few references, including this one: http://www.calferm.org/edu/misc/botanicals.htm And this one, with some liqueur recipes: http://www.homedistiller.org/liqueurs.htm After doing some tea experiments with a few herbs (like gentian and agrimony), it's starting to look like the additions will follow a complete schedule from beginning of boil to bottling (with vodka-based "potions"). Might some herbs contain tannins? If so, are they only leached while boiling or is there a temperature range one should avoid to avoid the tannins? And are tannins that bad? With a gruit or herb beer, it seems tannins might simply add to the complexity. And with a very strong full-bodied beer, the astringency wouldn't be that prominent, would it? Obviously, sanitation is a concern. So, again, what are the best procedures to sanitize such additions? One possibility is to simmer with aromatic herbs after the boil. With an electric boiler, this could be as simple as maintaining the temperature in the right range. But what is that range? Aromatics are boiled off but would, say, 170F be a good temperature to keep the wort sanitized without actually boiling off the flavours? Cheers! Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:26:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Marshall <robertjm at hockeyhockeyhockey.com> Subject: re: Pacific Ridge PA (was: re: Anheuser world select) I've had Pacific Ridge PA. Its not too bad. Think Sierra Nevada PA knock-off. In fact, rumor has it that you used to be able to see the recipe posted for SNPA along their tour route. That is until PRPA came out. The thought was that AB actually took a photo of the recipe and took it home to Fairfield, CA (local AB brewery). Sure, I'd drink it again, but if its only a dollar difference in price, I'm going for the SNPA. Robert - -------------- Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:33:49 -0400 From: "Tom & Dana Karnowski" <karnowsk at esper.com> Subject: Re: Anheuser world select ...What I find more interesting is "Pacific Ridge" (I think?), which is an AB pale ale. I saw it on their web site and it said they only sell it in Western states. Has anyone tried it?... Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:28:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Hartsock <xd_haze at yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Kegging equipment Thanks to everyone who replied to my queiry. There are far to many to email individually. But I just thought I'd report, that I just bought a kegerator from a garage sale this morning. It came with four nice tap handles, a 10 or 15# cylinder, a regulator, built into a large refirgerator. should hold 4 cornies. (kegerator was made for 16 gal keg). I also talked him out of a 7 gallon primary bucket and a 6 gal carboy. cost me $80. Hope everything checks out! Michael ===== "May those who love us, love us. And those that don't love us, May God turn their hearts. And if he doesn't turn their hearts, may he turn their ankles So we'll know them by their limping." Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:04:55 -0400 From: Robert Sandefer <melamor at vzavenue.net> Subject: Re:La Folie According to Jeff Sparrow's article "Getting Good and Sour: Conditioning Wood Barrels for Sour Beer Production" in Zymurgy Vol. 25 No. 5 September/October 2002, La Folie is "sterile filtered" but unpasteurized. The beer is then bottled with sugar and wine yeast (pg. 32). This seems to suggest culturing from the bottle will not be worth the effort. The above article seems well written, so anyone trying to replicate this beer would probably benefit from it. I personally have no experience with this style--yet. Robert Sandefer Arlington,VA Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:03:46 -0400 From: Robert Sandefer <melamor at vzavenue.net> Subject: College, kids, and drinking In the recent disucssion of kids and alcohol there have been numerous stereotypes about college students and alcohol consumption. While stereotypes have their usefulness, I believe it is important to remember they are still stereotypes and are at best guides and summaries of behavior. Having escaped campus recently (2 years ago), I feel very secure of speaking of the diversity of drinking habits of "college students" (at least for the university I attended, which I feel is quite likely very average for the US). Remember that the number of college students is in the millions. That's a lot of people to be lumping together for any reason. Does binge drinking occur on campuses (whatever definition of binge drinking you want to use)? Certainly. I have heard stories, which I have no reason to doubt, that would make any parent faint. I have read articles in the campus paper of alcohol poisoning. I have seen dorm mates literally stumbling into their rooms early in the morning and breaking things along the way. I have laughed at hungover classmates. I have heard of a sororiety (sp?), with underage members, renting out a bar for a weekend night just to get drunk. I have heard of "good" kids turn to drunkard partyers...or worse. Are there students who drink to get drunk? Certainly. Just as there are mothers, and fathers, and priests, and politicians, and doctors...all drinking to get drunk. Are people drinking Coors, Miller, and Bud for taste? Egads, what a disgusting thought. I would rather never drink beer again than drink that swill, used in as insulting a meaning as possible :) Wine, cider, and mead are fine, thank you. But these people are not in the majority. I have heard a lot more people saying things like, "Yeah, I'm going out to hang with a couple friends," "I don't really like alcohol," "I have to drive tonight so I'm going just to hang," "I'm the designated driver tonight," "We don't go out that much anymore," etc. My point is that the irresponsibility of "college students" is often highly misrepresented, and it is worthwhile to remember not all children turn out as wild partyers. Some of us actually learn to drink responsibly without parental assistance (like me), and some of us actually wait until we're 21 before we start drinking (like me). There, I have avenged the honor of my generation. :) Robert Sandefer Arlington, VA Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 18:22:44 -0400 From: Alexandre Enkerli <aenkerli at indiana.edu> Subject: Qc Attitudes Oops! I may have given the wrong impression about Quebec. Nah, we're not *that* European in attitude and Quebeckers as a whole don't usually drink red wine with their meals. And young people do get drunk, on occasion. It's just not a major thing. Binge drinking itself, the stereotype of shotguns in frat houses, I never saw here but it probably exists. And while we can get beer and "cheap" (but expensive!) wine at convenience stores everyday (before 11PM), people do buy a lot of beer when they get the money. The SAQ (Qc's provincial liquor board) isn't very beer-friendly, though. At least not for real beer. They have an impressive selection of wine (heavily taxed) and they do carry Qc micros, but their import selection isn't impressive. Some brewers in fact make trips to Ontario just to get a better variety. And despite NAFTA, we don't even get Sierra Nevada or Sam Adams. AFAIK, even "Milwaukee's Best" is brewed in Canada. The beer market as a whole is dominated by Molson and Labatt. They buy fridge in convenience and grocery stores, do exclusive deals with distributors and all but prevent micros from getting bigger. But I do *feel* there might be statistically more sophisticated/discriminating drinkers in Montreal than in most other places around North America (which, IMHO, holds true for coffee/espresso). Still, I've mostly been to places like IN, SC, VT, and MA... About Scandinavia, I was obviously wrong. My impression was out of a very short trip during which I never really got a chance to mingle with the locals, contrary to my habits... ;-) As for Switzerland, Thomas confirms what I thought. And, at least in French-speaking Switzerland, I felt alcohol was treated with enough respect without being a forbidden fruit. Still, this acquaintance from Geneva was quite amazed that patrons at the Saint-Sulpice (a Montreal bar with several patios) were drinking a fair deal without looking inebriated. At the same time, he was probably more impressed by the casual ambiance than by the lack of drunkenness. Return to table of contents
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:19:17 -0400 From: "tOM Trottier" <Tom at Abacurial.com> Subject: Re: Colour Software On Saturday, July 26, 2003 at 0:01 Travis Dahl KE4VYZ <dahlt at umich.edu> wrote: > On the subject of color software, I think that anyone who believes that > it is even meant to give an exact color needs to have their head examined. > First off, I know that there is a lot of variation between different You can get pretty close to accurate with ICC profiles and calibration of your scanner, camera, monitor and printer. See http://www.google.com/search?=icc+software+calibrate If you're scanning labels, scan a standard color target at the same time. tOM - ---- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ---- ,__ at tOM Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:+1-270-596-1042 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it. -Thomas Jefferson 1743-1826) Return to table of contents
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:22:31 -0400 From: "tOM Trottier" <Tom at Abacurial.com> Subject: Pilsner glasses with a nucleation site Does anyone know where to get pilsner glasses, the inverted cone type, which have a nucleation site in the very middle of the bottom? Brands? Canadian sellers? Thanks, tOM - ---- Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur ---- ,__ at tOM Trottier +1 613 860-6633 fax:+1-270-596-1042 _-\_<, 758 Albert St.,Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8 (*)/'(*) ICQ:57647974 N45.412 W75.714 "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it. -Thomas Jefferson 1743-1826) Return to table of contents
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