HOMEBREW Digest #4270 Fri 13 June 2003

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  Re: pH Buffers (Rick Wood)
  Homebrew consumption survey, and another data point (Michael)
  Berliner Weisse question ("Patrick Twohy")
  Re: Conditioning Scotch Ale in a Virgin Barrel (davew)
  re:orval and consumption ("jim")
  Re: Regional American Styles ("Mark Tumarkin")
  re: burnt rubber smell in yeast culture ("Mark Tumarkin")
  Maintaining Orval (cboyer)
  MacOS X Brewing Software, OpenBrew (Alexandre Enkerli)
  Wood Flooring From Guinness Vats ("Andrew Moore")
  Re:Conditioning Scotch Ale in a Virgin Barrel (Jonathan Royce)
  Cancel messages (Matthew Prahlow)
  Leave Postal Inspectors Alone - Call Your Senator (Jonathan Royce)
  pH standards ("Todd M. Snyder")
  RE: burnt rubber smell -- yeast culture ("Joris Dallaire")
  RE: Regional American Styles (Ted Teuscher)
  Alcohol Shipment - Patchwork of Laws (Calvin Perilloux)
  Re: A question of style and ingredients (Calvin Perilloux)
  re:  homebrew consumption poll ("micsmi at yahoo.com")
  Homebrew consumption, malt mills, females at AHA. (Bob Hall)
  re: Regional American Styles ("Tom M")
  Imperial Barley Wine (ensmingr)
  =?iso-8859-1?Q?Beer-flavored_Ice_Cream=3F__CHEERS!?= ("=?iso-8859-1?Q?Larry_Bristol?=")
  Re: Regional American Styles ("Tidmarsh Major")
  RE: homebrew consumption poll ("Leonard, Phil")
  Fw: mailing beer ("Chad Stevens")
  Fw: Style & Ingredients ("Rob & Robin Beck")
  Fw: Homebrew consumption ("Rob & Robin Beck")
  Homebrew consumption poll ("Eyre")
  Re: homebrew consumption poll (NO Spam)
  how much beer (aa8jzdial)
  2003 BUZZ Off Results and MCAB Qualifiers... ("Christopher Clair")

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:38:00 +1000 From: Rick Wood <thewoods at netpci.com> Subject: Re: pH Buffers Hi Byron and the group: I run a university water quality laboratory. Because of the nature of regulatory work, things often "expire" before their useful life is over. Labs often have expired pH buffers that are still good, but that because of regulatory requriments, cannot be used. So, check various laboratories in your neighborhood to see if you can score some expired buffers. Hospital and Clinical Laboratories, EPA Labs, and Water Utility Labs come to mind. High School and College chemistry departments may also have some. Even if they have no expired buffer, they willl probably give you enough to calibrate the meter for some time. Cheers, Rick Wood Brewing on Guam Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:38:11 -0500 From: Michael <grice at binc.net> Subject: Homebrew consumption survey, and another data point First, let me answer the homebrew survey. I have an average of 1-2 drinks of any kind a day. I like to have a drink with dinner, and I might have a beer before I go to bed. On the weekends, I may get crazy and have three or four drinks. None of that is written in stone. As for the other data point, well, it looks like the person who wrote the following has a much higher average consumption than I do. - ----- Original Message ----- > Dear Mr.Postal Inspector, > > You sound like a weenie to me. [...] Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:40:48 -0700 From: "Patrick Twohy" <patrick at twohy.net> Subject: Berliner Weisse question Some days ago, Marc Sedam posted his recipe for Berliner Weisse, which I found very interesting. I made a BW recently using the sour mash technique in Papazian's book. And since I've never had a commercial BW, I'm ignorant. But I can tell you, what I made is marvelously refreshing. I used about a 50/50 grist of wheat to barley, as Marc suggests. But that's rather outside what the BJCP styleguide suggests. Despite listing BW as a wheat beer (Category 17C), BJCP says, "Wheat malt content is typically well under 50% of the grist..." Is that really right? What sayeth the collective? - -- Patrick Twohy Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:54:37 -0700 From: davew at gibraltar.com Subject: Re: Conditioning Scotch Ale in a Virgin Barrel I was trying to answer Jonathan Royce's questions about barrel conditioning, but I sent in duplicate messages, then I deleted the wrong one (most current). Next, HBD.ORG deleted the other one (oldest) and neither of the messages were posted. Oh well, I guess I learned something new. Anyway, Robert Sandefer posted a good reply that hit most of my points. I'll try not to repeat what he said but here are some details that were lost from my message: Bourbon in the barrel is stronger than in the bottle. 55%, usually, versus 40%. Robert explained why this is and why it may be a problem. For some interesting information about barrels, distillates, bourbon, etc. visit: http://www.homedistiller.org Those lucky New Zealanders get to have all the fun! I also found the information about fermenting and sugar "washes" to be quite informative and very applicable to mead making. But I digress.... I would like to second Robert's suggestion that you simply fortify your Scotch ale with Bourbon, for flavor. I would recommend quite a bit less than "a bottle" though. Now, my Scoth Ale question: It is my understanding that barrels for storing beer (wooden kegs?) are lined with pitch. This pitch was periodically stripped and replaced to keep contamination in check. Does this apply to aging Scotch Ale or are the barrels used for that not pitch lined? In other words does the Scotch Ale normally touch the wood? -David Wilbur Here is one for Troy A. Wilson: Q: Why do programmers always confuse Halloween and Christmas? A: OCT 31 = DEC 25. You see, there are 11 kinds of people, the third being those that had to use octal once upon a time. [1634.4, 257.8] Apparent Rennerian -- Scottsdale, AZ Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 06:53:00 -0400 From: "jim" <jimswms at cox.net> Subject: re:orval and consumption Pete says.. On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:35:13 -0400, Joel Gallihue reflected on the taste of Orval. I had been a Belgian fan for quite a while when I tasted my very first Orval, and have not had one since! A few years ago Belgian beers were quite difficult to find in Australia, and for many months prior to the experience I had been reading and listening to others expound upon the virtues of the brew. After several months I was shocked to see it stocked at a nearby liquor store. My impression upon tasting it was; "Aptly named! This stuff is bloody Orval!!" It tasted all the world like dishwashing liquid, and it was an experience I have not been quick to repeat. Now I realise that in all likelihood, the bottle was old and the beer had fallen from it's last legs many months prior to my opening it and with this in mind, I will probably force myself to buy another one for comparisons sake when next I see it on the shelf. But as far as first impressions go, it was a memory I will always remember ... for all the wrong reasons. Cheers, Pete AND, I couldn't agree more. I've tried this beer many times, trying desparately to find what everyone else claims is there, and I just don't "get it". I love Belgian beers. One of my favorite all time beers is Oerbier by De Dolle, but, Pete described Orval perfectly. "bloody Orval! On another note, I try to keep to my 2 pint per day max. The only time I really have a hard time, is when I tap a new keg, and it is just too good not to have another, and another, and another... cheers, Jim Providence, RI (some day I'll figure the Rennerian coordinates) Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:39:47 -0400 From: "Mark Tumarkin" <mark_t at ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Regional American Styles Ted responded to my call for suggestions for the AHA with an interesting proposal to create committees to look at establishing guidelines for American beer styles. A number of years ago, the AHA adopted the BJCP Beer Style Guidelines, so changes to these guidelines are made by the BJCP. Coincidentally, I'm on the recently formed committee to update the guidelines so I can tell you that we are definitely considering American styles. However, there are a lot of things that play into this. One large one is what styles are being brewed AND entered in homebrew competitions in significant numbers. Occasionally styles are dropped from the Guidelines if they aren't being entered, Malt Liquor would be an example. Conversely, if significant numbers of a style are being entered in Category 24 Specialty/Experimental/Historical, then we look at possibly adding that to the guidelines. Ted seems to have a handle on many of the factors that influence the development of beer styles - "USA could be divided into many regions where soil types, types of hops and grain that would have been grown in that region, temperature of the region, water quality, yeast strains perhaps, etc would define its style. " And there were some indigenous Am beer styles.... spruce beer, Badger beer, Kentucky Common, etc. But they have pretty much died out. Though, as homebrewers we can brew and enter them in competitions (again in Cat 24... historical). But we can't just 'define' a style and thus create it, though we can certainly do this in Cat 24. A true beer style evolves in a local area (with the factors you mention) and if it continues to be brewed over time (& brewed & entered by homebrewers) then it is one of the living beer styles we include in the BJCP guidelines. These guidelines are certainly not all inclusive, there are dinosaur styles, possibly evolving styles, or styles that are not entered enough to be included (at least for now). Still, your idea of looking at local conditions & ingredients to create your own style is certainly creative & interesting. Go for it, define & brew your own 'style' and enter it in Cat 24 along with your style definition so the judges can evaluate how close you came to your intention. If enough people start brewing your style(s), who knows what will happen. Anyhow, thanks for your suggestion.... love that kind of creative, positive brainstorming. Mark Tumarkin Hogtown Brewers Gainesville, FL see ya in Chicago!! Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:38:24 -0400 From: "Mark Tumarkin" <mark_t at ix.netcom.com> Subject: re: burnt rubber smell in yeast culture Todd asks about a burnt rubber smell in yeast culture, and talks about using 1/8 to 1/4 teaspoon of yellow crystalline "yeast energizer" I don't use this stuff myself, but I do know there are two types (at least, maybe others?). One is DAP, diammonium phosphate and the other is yeast hulls (dead yeast bodies). The DAP is white & the yeast hulls are yellow. Since the beer ended up fine, it's probably just that you smelled the energizer. As I say, I don't use the stuff myself, but I wouldn't expect the yeast hulls to be autolyzed, but I guess it's certainly possible. Mark Tumarkin Hogtown Brewers Gainesville, FL Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:18:12 -0400 From: cboyer at ausoleil.org Subject: Maintaining Orval You don't have to read this list long before you'll read that most beers are far better in their country of origin. Orval is no exception, it's just better in or very near Belgium. The answer "why" is very simple -- the beer is maintained as it should be, which is to say, somewhere around 15 dC (56 dF.) It's also almost always served at the correct temperature, and in the proper glass, which also makes a huge difference, believe it or not. Add to that the fact that the local supply is also usually aged the correct time, since it doesn't have to go very far from the brewery which concocted it. So, after saying all of that, it's really unfair to judge Orval after it has been shipped 1/2 way across the world in what must have been far less than optimal conditions. While I suppose it is indeed possible that the shipping company maintained the correct temperature, as did the seller, all too often we will find these brews on a store shelf at room temperature, or too cold in a 7 dC cooler alongside lagers, etc. etc. And since they've come so far, they're probably pretty old too. I would be willing to bet you that were you to sit in a tap-room in say, Kessel- lo, Belgium, you'd have a chilled Orval and say to yourself. "This beer is "Orvally" good!" - ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:28:06 -0300 From: Alexandre Enkerli <aenkerli at indiana.edu> Subject: MacOS X Brewing Software, OpenBrew Hello all, For the first time in over a year (it's hard to brew on the road), I had the chance to brew last weekend, thanks to Daniel Chisholm. Apart from hooking me again to the process, Daniel's Big Brew also led me to look into the developments in brewing software since 2001 (when I was last seen brewing). At the time, some HBDers were discussing on OpenBrew, a project for open technology to process brewing data based on XML Schema. Last I heard, this project had died and googling for it doesn't lead to much. So, what have been the developments in brewing software technology since then? StrangeBrew, BrewNIX, ProMash et al. have been updated but don't seem to have changed so much. Anything a brother should know, coming back to the world of homebrewing? More specifically, is there now a compelling brewing program for MacOS X? While updated, BeerMeister X 2.0 doesn't really seem to be a ProMash-killer... Interesting uses of Palm utilities and desktop databases would also fit... What do you use? Thanks! Alex Enkerli (with varying Rennerian coordinates) Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:00:07 -0400 From: "Andrew Moore" <abmjunk at hotmail.com> Subject: Wood Flooring From Guinness Vats Announcing the ultimate homebrewer's flooring material! The April issue of "Architectural Record," a trade magazine for architects, included a brief article, in the new products section, on flooring that is milled from oak vats removed from the Guinness Brewery in Dublin. The flooring is oak and is suitably "distressed" by years of use and the stains caused by the iron tension bands that held the vats together. I have no affiliation, but if you are interested, the flooring is available from Mountain Lumber in Ruckerville, Virginia. Tel. 800-555-2671. Andrew Moore, AIA Richmond, Virginia Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:05:56 -0700 From: Jonathan Royce <jonathan at woodburybrewingco.com> Subject: Re:Conditioning Scotch Ale in a Virgin Barrel Phil Wilcox wrote in a fiery objection to my proposal: > you only get to treat a virgin barrel the first time once. Why the hell > would you want to use Cheap Bourbon? Do you want your Bourbon Scotch ale to > taste like cheap bourbon? I think not! If you like peaty scotch bourban to balance your malty scotch ale find some Taliskar, or Lagavouland. and fill it up. Actually, I don't want my scotch ale to taste like cheap bourbon and I don't want a bourbon scotch ale. I want a scotch ale that is aged like single malt scotch--in old bourbon barrels. I don't know if Lagavouland or Taliskar actually care what kind of bourbon was in the barrel first. Maybe they do, maybe not. I hear a lot about old Jack Daniels barrels, but my guess is that there are other US bourbon manufacturers who ship used barrels to Scottish distilleries. > Face it Johnathan, you forked out over $100 bucks + for the barrell you > mine as well put good Scotch in it. (That will still be drinkable > afterwards) albiet maybe a bit oaky... For the record (I stated this in my original post), I paid $45 for the 6 liter barrel, including shipping. I don't drink Scotch, but as a son and son-in-law of two Scotch enthusiasts, I certainly wouldn't ruin Scotch by aging it in a virgin oak barrel, hence my idea on bourbon. That said, your advice on quality is probably good. I suppose I could always start looking for sales on JD rather than use the cheap stuff... Thanks for the advice and happy brewing! Jonathan Woodbury Brewing Co. www.woodburybrewingco.com Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:51:45 -0500 From: Matthew Prahlow <prahloma at milwaukee.k12.wi.us> Subject: Cancel messages Please cancel the messages sent to me. I am no longer interested in receiving them. Also, I will not have access to this in one more week. Matt Prahlow Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:15:02 -0700 From: Jonathan Royce <jonathan at woodburybrewingco.com> Subject: Leave Postal Inspectors Alone - Call Your Senator To all those who: a) privately and publicly flamed Jim Yeagley for taking his job seriously and for being proud enough of his occupation to publicly defend it and/or b) belittled his defense of the law with sarcasm, including but not limited to, the following: > Dear Mr.Postal Inspector, > > You sound like a weenie to me. "Protection, huh?...Well, keep making the world safe from fermented beverages, Jim. I realize you are only following orders." "Sounds to me that we may have too many postal inspectors. Cut the postal budget, especially the part that pays the postal inspectors." I say: Shame on you. It is the fundamental basis of this country that we have laws, which are drafted by people (or their representatives), and in order for those laws to function there need to be people who enforce them. It should not be up to the enforcers to decide which laws are important and which are not-- laws are not meant to be subjective or left up to individual interpretation. It is also the fundamental right of citizens in this country to use their voice to effect changes in laws that they find absurd, obselete or otherwise misguided. It is NOT, however, productive or constructive to criticize the employees who we as citizens employ for enforcing the laws that we as citizens, either directly or indirectly, are responsible for. Another perfect example of this is the people that I hear complain when they are pulled over for going 10 MPH faster than the speed limit. The typical complaint is, "That was ridiculous, I was only going 10 MPH over and it shouldn't be X MPH there anyway--that's way too slow." Well, the fact is that these people ARE breaking the law, it IS the responsibility of the police to enforce the laws and if they REALLY think the limit is absurd, then they have the power to change the law via petition, a sponsored ballot question or many other various means. In the end, however, THEY are breaking the law and THEY should be responsible enough to accept the consequences. All this said, I do ship beer via the USPS, knowingly breaking the law. (I drive +5-+10 MPH over the speed limit too). However, if I someday have a postal inspector knocking on my door, I'm not going to be pissed at him for doing his job. Maybe then, however, I'll put down my homebrew, get off my ass and call my senator's office to talk about changing the law. Jonathan Woodbury Brewing Co. www.woodburybrewingco.com Jonathan Woodbury Brewing Co. www.woodburybrewingco.com Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:35:58 -0400 From: "Todd M. Snyder" <tmsnyder at buffalo.edu> Subject: pH standards Byron Towles writes: <Does anyone know of common items I can use to calibrate my pH checker? > For a two point calibration you want to straddle the pH range of interest. For beer brewing, I imagine you're interested in the mash pH range of about 5.2. The typical pH standards are 4, 7 and 10, so you'd want 4 and 7. Common items that you might be able to use? How about Coke? The pH of Coke is probably very consistent and it's low. It would make a good standard for your lower pH point. For the upper pH standard, I don't have as good an idea. The only product I can think of is Chlorox bleach. It would have a very high and probably very consistent pH but may end up ruining your probe. If you want to track down a couple common chemicals you can make your own standards AWWA Standards has several primary standards for pH at 25C: pH 4.004 : 10.12 g/L KHC8H4O4 (potassium hydrogen phthalate) pH 7.415: 1.179 g/L KH2PO4 and 4.303 g/L Na2HPO4 (potassium dihydrogen phosphate and disodium hydrogen phosphate) The KH2PO4 has to be dried at 110-130 C for 2 hours prior to weighing, the others do not. Dissolve in boiled and cooled distilled water. Store in polyethylene. Replace every 4 weeks. As you can see, the $25 for standards is starting to look good! Actually, Aquatic Ecosystems Inc has pH tablets (just add water) for $6 for 10 tablets, pH 4, 7, and 10. For $12 bucks you've got the standards you need for several years and I suspect any aquarium shop would have the same tablets locally. That's probably your best bet. Cheers! Todd Buffalo, NY Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:51:36 -0400 From: "Joris Dallaire" <Joris.Dallaire at meq.gouv.qc.ca> Subject: RE: burnt rubber smell -- yeast culture On Wed, 11 Jun, Janie Curry <houndandcalico at hotmail.com> asked opinions about the possible source of a burnt rubber smell in yeast culture. Well Janie, I too had a strong rubber smell when i opened my starters before pitching, and found out that it was simply the rubber stopper. It seems that the sterilisation product (potassium sulfite if memory serves well) is somehow attacking the rubber, causing it to degrade and produce the smell. On a further stage of degradation, i found small rubber pieces sticked to the glass of the Erlenmeyer flasks i use for culturing. The beer always came out good though. Hope that helps. - --Joris. Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:16:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Ted Teuscher <t_teuscher at yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Regional American Styles For example, I live in KC and grew up in Kansas my whole life. I would envision several regional brews for the great plains. Very early brewers would not have access to refrigeration so it could not be a lager. It also gets VERY hot and humid so a person would not want a heavy type of stout or porter. The water is here is VERY hard due to all the limestone. Couple that with the vast amount of wheat and corn that is grown on the plains and you can almost form a style from that. I could see a light wheat ale, something with corn in it like a CAP, and even a honey wheat because we have a lot of bees around due to all the flowering plants on the plains. I don't think any of the beers would be very hoppy, just enough to balance well with the rest of the flavors. The yeast would be something that could be cultured from an open fermentor to get a certain flavor of yeast indigenious to the region in spring time. Of course this could take some time to find a good yeast strain because not many people like that sour lambic type beer (I'm one of them). I think you see what I am getting at now. I am talking about defining new styles. Our typical "American" beers are just American renditions of European beers in which we still try to mimic the flavors of the beers geographic origin in Europe, for the most part anyway, without much consideration to where WE, the brewers, live and how a beer would have developed in OUR hometown had we not had any outside influence. Cheers! Ted - --- "Houseman, David L" <David.Houseman at unisys.com> wrote: > So other than a small number of styles, that are > already in the style guide, > would you suggest? I've traveled all over the > country and I don't see > regional styles. You do find lots of variation, but > I haven't see clearly > defined regional styles. Sure the West Coast has a > lot of hoppy beers, from > IPAs to Stouts, but then so do most homebrewers > elsewhere. We've already > included American Wheat, American Light Lagers, > Classic American Pilsner, > Cream Ale, and California Common. The BJCP Style > Guide Committee is > currently re-addressing some of the styles and will > be adding an American > Stout and the American IPA. Beyond that I really > don't see other regional > styles. Please enlighten me. > > Dave Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:41:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Calvin Perilloux <calvinperilloux at yahoo.com> Subject: Alcohol Shipment - Patchwork of Laws Let's try and clear the confusion on these alcohol shipment restrictions by... er, well, showing you all the complexity! Yeah, that ought to clear things up! The laws/rules we generally are talking about regarding shipment of alcohol fall into three categories: (1) Federal -- US Postal Service prohibition on shipment, with no effect on other common carriers (as far as I know) (2) State - legal prohibition, in some cases with high penalties, applies to common carriers (3) Private - common carriers concerned about the risk of (in some states) having not only standard legal penalties but also the risk of their vehicle confiscated because it's used "in the commission of a felony", so they set their own policy against shipment just to avoid the risk Note that you might be lucky enough to live one of the many states where there is no specific prohibition, yet still encounter a common carrier agent who has a policy of not accepting shipments of alcohol, especially from "unknown" shippers. :-( However, at least you have a chance at it, unlike most of us here in Maryland (the "Free State" arghhh!), who have no (legal) way at all. Robert Parker excepted -- really. A few items on the status of various of these state laws and the courts: http://www.texassafetynetwork.org/internet/issue/updatedirectship.htm Various state laws on shipping alcohol. This site says "by mail" in the title, though it is already illegal to ship it via US Postal Service -- they mean "by common carrier". The pedant in me raises a skeptical eye at the rest of the info when it's not so precise at the outset, and the info is a bit dated but provides a good general overview of the patchwork of laws involved. http://www.adminresources.com/psa/PSA00070.PDF Specifically here in Maryland, an update to their earlier restrictions, just to show you a sample rule and comment by the comptroller: (These might be long URLs that get split and need "putting together") http://compnet.comp.state.md.us/attd/atinfo/publications/bulletins/ alco/bl_ab26.pdf http://www.inform.umd.edu/News/Diamondback/1999-editions/05-May/ 13-Thursday/Com3.htm Many other states have similar laws. Do a Google Search on ALCOHOL SHIPMENT FELONY PROHIBITION MISDEMEANOR <your state> or something similar. And if you think it's a pain to ship beer to a competition or a friend in the next city, just try sending beer to another country. Then we can drag in Customs & Excise declarations, too! Calvin Perilloux Middletown, Maryland ("The Free State"), USA Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:00:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Calvin Perilloux <calvinperilloux at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: A question of style and ingredients Chip Bulla, in Thursday's HBD, brewed an ale with classic lager hops. What kind of a beer is it? Chip, I haven't tasted your beer, and I'd ask you to ship me some to try, but we'd both end up in jail. ;-) However, guessing without tasting, I would say that you have: Ale. There is more to an ale than just the hops, and, dare we say, "less" to a lager. Specifically, when fermenting an ale, the yeast you use and the temperatures you ferment at will have a pronounced effect upon the character, ordinarily producing a fair amount of esters (fruitiness), among other things, which almost defines the "ale style" but should NOT be present in a lager. The hop character will certainly be nothing like what you would expect in a typical APA (e.g. Sierra Nevada), but there are quite a lot of ales out there that have a subdued, fine hop aroma and flavour like you might be getting. Calvin Perilloux Middletown, Maryland, USA Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:05:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "micsmi at yahoo.com" <micsmi at yahoo.com> Subject: re: homebrew consumption poll Ian Watson wrote: >>>>So I ask: How much homebrew do we swallow on an average day? My answer would be 2 to 4 pints.>>>> Usually, a couple of pints a night. If I didn't balance that with running a few times a week, and a reasonably healthy diet (my wife has a Masters in Nutrition), I would probably cut back... You might find this interesting - a summary of daily/weekly consumption guidelines for different countries...I believe it is fairly current. Funny, the extremes in some of the guidelines (France at 5 drinks per day, Canada at 1 max.) http://www.aim-digest.com/gateway/pages/guide/articles/biggy.htm Michael Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:49:07 -0400 From: Bob Hall <rallenhall at toast.net> Subject: Homebrew consumption, malt mills, females at AHA. I would guess that I drink an average 12-24 oz. of homebrew per day when I'm home. Naturally, consumption spikes in the presence of willing companions. My wife and her friends often reserve the best brews .... I drink the mistakes. As for recommendations on malt mills, Santa brought the BarleyCrusher in 2001. Have nothing to compare it to other than the old rolling pin, but it's sturdy and reliable. As first-time attendees, LeAnn and I are looking forward to meeting everyone in Chicago next week. As an aside, how many lady brewers or wives usually attend the event? Bob Hall, Napoleon, OH Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:39:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tom M" <tomomeier at excite.com> Subject: re: Regional American Styles Ted Teuscher wites: >USA could be divided into many regions where soil >types, types of hops and grain that would have been >grown in that region, temperature of the region, water >quality, yeast strains perhaps, etc would define its >style. Each region could be assigned its own committee >to establish what the guidelines for their beer will >be. This is an interesting idea. Let me be the first to volunteer for the South Alabama region. I happen to have a recipe passed down from my Great Grandfather, who used the ingredients that were indigenous to that region during Prohibition: Blue Ribbon Malt, Sugar, and Bread Yeast.. I have never tried to make the recipe, which I will call 'Prohibition Pilsner' or 'PP' for short, but according to my grandmother, he often enjoyed it with some 'possum that had been fed out with corn. Let's band together and bring back this classic American beer style that has been neglected for too long! Tom Meier Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:36:24 -0400 From: ensmingr at twcny.rr.com Subject: Imperial Barley Wine Some hbd'rs have expressed interest in ultra-high gravity beers. I have also been intrigued by Sam Adams Triple Bock (17.5% ABV) and Dogfish Head World Wide Stout (23% ABV). Never had a Sam Adams Millennium ale (24% ABV). I am fascinated by the flavor of these beers and that a brewer can coax his yeast(s) to make such enjoyable high alcohol beers. Thus, I tried my own 'Imperial Barley Wine'. The details are at: <http://hbd.org/ensmingr/impbarleywine.html>. In essence, my procedure was to make a 'standard' barley wine (OG 1.109) with Danstar Nottingham ale yeast. I racked it off the sediment periodically and added honey, dry malt extract, sugar, and additional yeasts (Champagne yeast and White Labs 099). Counting these extra carbohydrate additions, I estimate my "effective" OG as 1.199. The measured FG was 1.025. Apparent attenuation was 0.854 (or 85.4%). Estimating alcohol is problematic, since most of the formulas proposed for this are for 'normal' strength beers. The formulas that I have on hand give an estimated ABV of about 23 %. What's it taste like? A bit harsh at the moment (presumably due to fusels) but I am cautiously optimistic that it will smooth out with time. Will keep you all posted. BTW ... it's presumably illegal to send this stuff by mail. Cheerio! Peter A. Ensminger Syracuse, NY http://hbd.org/ensmingr Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:33:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Larry_Bristol?=" <Larry at DoubleLuck.com> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Beer-flavored_Ice_Cream=3F__CHEERS!?= Britain welcomes the marriage of two great tastes that work great together. June 12, 2003: 2:18 PM EDT By Gordon T. Anderson, CNN/Money Contributing Writer NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Homer Simpson, make room in your freezer. The world's first beer-flavored ice cream has arrived. Scottish Courage, the big U.K. brewer, last week began selling to British consumers ice cream that tastes like Newcastle Brown Ale, one of the company's flagship brands. The product is made via a joint venture with Doddington Dairies, which, like Scottish Courage, is located in Northeast England. Doddington, an award-winning dairy, is making the superpremium ice cream. It will sell initially at supermarkets in Northumberland and Newcastle, and only during the summer months. Linda Bain, a spokeswoman for Scottish Courage, confirmed the launch, and noted that it's already attracting local attention. "I was driving home last night, and they were conducting a taste test on the radio," she said. The ice cream's taste is said to reflect the nutty, caramel flavors of the namesake ale. The two companies have agreed to a six-month licensing arrangement, in which the product is to be test marketed to gauge its popularity. According to a report by the market research firm Datamonitor, sales of the ice cream may fare best in Northeast England, where both companies have strong brand appeal to consumers. It should be noted that while publicity may create a buzz, the product itself will not. The ice cream contains less than 1 percent alcohol. ###################################### Less than 1% alochol? But greater than 0.0000%?!? Good grief. Just when you thought it was safe to think about using unusual ingredients in your beer again. I do not want to hear even ONE MORE COMPLAINT about making chile beer! :-) - -- Larry Bristol Bellville, TX http://www.doubleluck.com Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:11:52 -0500 From: "Tidmarsh Major" <tidmarsh at bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Regional American Styles On 12 Jun 2003 at 0:11, Request Address Only - No Articles wrote: > I was pondering the possibility of the AHA undertaking > the task of creating several committees (even though I > hate that word and all it stands for) of volunteers to > establish guidelines for regional American brews. Here in the Southeast, that would be "Sweet Tea"; mint is optional. Tidmarsh Major Tuscaloosa, Ala. Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:34:28 -0500 From: "Leonard, Phil" <Phil.Leonard at dsionline.com> Subject: RE: homebrew consumption poll My daily consumption has actually decreased since I started brewing. I have mentioned this to other homebrewers in the area and found that several of them have had the same experience. Philip [612 251.4 AR] Overland Park, KS Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:18:46 -0700 From: "Chad Stevens" <zuvaruvi at cox.net> Subject: Fw: mailing beer I can see additional clarification is in order: "18 USC 1716(f): All spirituous, vinous, malted, fermented, or other intoxicating liquors of any kind are nonmailable and shall not be deposited in or carried through the mails." This applies to the United States Postal system only. Common carriers must adhere to a labyrinth of state and local tariffs. For example, folks in Texas and Kansas can mail alcohol to Oregon but Californian's cannot. Beer of the month clubs et al. use common carriers and work their way through the maze of tariff schedules to bring you their product. The intent of 18 USC 1716(f) is to ensure that taxes/tariffs on alcohol are paid and that alcohol is not shipped to prohibited jurisdictions (dry counties). The taxes/tariffs apply to commercial product for resale. For this reason, no common carrier should be concerned with moving beer for competition which is not taxable. Unfortunately, because it is potentially a hot potato, and UPS has built its' business on being above reproach (many states highway patrol don't even bother inspecting UPS trucks because they are always in serviceable condition), it is UPS's company wide policy to not move any alcohol regardless of taxability or jurisdiction to or from. Some other carriers adopt a similar stance. On the other end of the spectrum, their are carriers who just look the other way. They are facing a potential liability in doing so, and shouldn't have to be concerned with the issue in the first place. So why not just work with the common carriers when they can move the stuff already albeit on a limited basis? We're talking about 50 states and some 6000 municipalities to deal with. With that many fingers in the pie, one common solution is improbable and I'm not up to the task. As go the mails so go the common carriers. Going back to the intent of 18 USC 1716(f): to ensure commercial alcoholic beverage taxes are paid and are not sent to prohibited jurisdictions. I think a very strong case can be made for homebrewed beer and wine being sent to competition not being taxable. Additionally, the postal service keeps a list of prohibited jurisdictions so homebrew finding it's way to Elba, Alabama shouldn't be an issue. As a result, a postal wide exemption should be doable. And if the Post Office can move it, the common carriers will follow suit. What I'm after is a mailing exemption for alcoholic beverages for competition and analysis, nothing more. The current maze of tariff schedules applies to commercial product going to consumers/resale and isn't going to change. I have no desire to touch that issue. - ------------------------------------------ I'll be contacting Jim Moran's office to see if he's interested; looks like he might be our best shot. Legislators typically do not put forward legislation unless it is presented by someone in their jurisdiction. Any 8th district Virginian's/BURP members who might be interested, let me know. I can take care of the initial pitch.... Thanks, Chad Stevens Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:24:24 -0500 From: "Rob & Robin Beck" <3rbecks at sbcglobal.net> Subject: Fw: Style & Ingredients Subject: Style & Ingredients > If your beer is orientated toward the hops, it might fit into the American > Brown category. If it is more focused on malt and crystal, it might work in > an American Amber category. > The ingredients and the procedures are not as important as the finished > product. If you have access to a homebrew club or to beer judges, bounce it > off them. You could also enter the beer in several categories at a > competition and see what kind of feed back you get. > I have made some really good, drinkable beers that just didn't hit any > BJCP/AHA categories and that's OK too. > Rob > Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:25:20 -0500 From: "Rob & Robin Beck" <3rbecks at sbcglobal.net> Subject: Fw: Homebrew consumption Subject: Homebrew consumption > I average 1 to 3 pints daily. > Funny story: I was having some problems with pain and swelling in my hand > and ended up a a neurologist's office. She was doing the initial interview > and general history and she got to the question, Do you drink alcohol? Yes > How much? Oh, 1 or 2 pints a day. The doctor got this shocked and > horrified look on her face, until my wife quickly chimed in that I was > talking about beer, not hard liquor. Well, I guess you had to be > there. > Rob > Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:28:43 -0400 From: "Eyre" <meyre at sbcglobal.net> Subject: Homebrew consumption poll Interesting question posed there.. regarding how much HB is consumed by me personally in a day? I bottle everything, and usually I'll only drink one per day.. unless it's the weekend, I may get around to maybe two, but that's even rare. Mike meyre at sbcglobal.net Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:54:18 -0400 From: NO Spam <nospam at brewbyyou.net> Subject: Re: homebrew consumption poll >So I ask: How much homebrew do we swallow on >an average day? My answer would be 2 to 4 pints. I would say I probably go through a case and a half of beer, including homebrew and commercial stuff, in a month. 36 bottles in a month = just a tiny little bit more than (1) 12 oz bottle a day. (And I never have "one a day" ;)) I don't think that having access to it all the time or having alot of it around automatically makes me drink any more. I think we all tend to drink more on the weekends, when watching football or other sporting events, that sort of thing. Yes, it is not a bad thing that this 'hobby' produces a useful product, unlike building model ships or doing paint by number sets, or other such useless hobbies. But I brew beer for the fun of it, and the challenge of winning or trying to win homebrew competitions. I probably give away to friends and relatives (and customers, too) more than I actually drink. I do not brew to have more beer to sit around and get drunk on. Just because there's 4 or more cases of homebrew, about a dozen cases or more of varying commercials ranging from Abbey De Leffe to Old Nick to Fuller's London Pride, and over a dozen cases of homemade wine in my basement - that doesn't make me an alcoholic, does it? It just means I enjoy a wide variety of good beer and wine, a little at a time, and that I like to share it with my friends and family on occasions. Averaging 4 pints per day over the course of a year? That's a half gallon of beer for one person every day! That's about 15 gallons of beer for one person in a single month. That means you're drinking a commercial half barrel by yourself in a month. That's about 180 gallons of beer in a year! It's still under the legal limit of what you're allowed to brew for a household, but that still seems like alot to me. And I still haven't mentioned the dollar cost of drinking that much, or the calories and other negative health factors. The studies that say beer and wine are good for you SPECIFY one glass per day. And so this leads me to ask - How much beer or wine per day would someone have to consume to be considered an alcoholic? There are other factors to take into account, too, besides just the amount of beer or wine consumed. If it ever interferes with your job or your home life, or you ever find yourself drunk and abusing your wife and kids, or you're getting stopped more than once in, say, a year's time for DUI, these are all warning signs. Drinking alot by yourself is also another one. Homebrew shops are in the business of selling ingredients to home beer and winemakers, but I don't think any of us would say that we're in favor of alcoholism or want to encourage it, or ruin people's lives. And we especially don't want to see anyone hurt really bad or even killed as a result of something stupid they did under the influence. It's more about encouraging people to responsibly enjoy beer and wine, maybe more about having it with food, and at social gatherings. It's not about drinking all the time just to get drunk. Bill Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 01:25:34 +0000 From: aa8jzdial at attbi.com Subject: how much beer Ian asks, "How much homebrew do we swallow on an average day? My answer would be 2 to 4 pints." I agree with Ian. How much is average? Lots of married guys would like to rephrase the question but that poll belongs somewhere else. 2-4 is about par here but sometimes they are british pints. age is 51 if you want that for the spreadsheet. rick 1 mile east of big lake michigan. Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:52:19 -0400 From: "Christopher Clair" <buzz at netreach.net> Subject: 2003 BUZZ Off Results and MCAB Qualifiers... The results of the 10th Annual BUZZ Off have been posted on the BUZZ web site. The address is http://hbd.org/buzz. Congratulations to all winners, esp. Bob Purrenhage and his Best of Show winning Bavarian Weizen! Thank you to all who entered and a special thank you to Iron Hill Brewery & Restaurant for hosting us. See you all next year! Christopher Clair buzz at netreach.net http://hbd.org/buzz "The mouth of a perfectly happy man is filled with beer." - Ancient Egyptian Wisdom, 2200 B.C. Return to table of contents
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