HOMEBREW Digest #4276 Fri 20 June 2003

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  OT: Re: Smoking (Teresa Knezek)
  re. obtaining convoluted copper tubing. and alchoholism ("Edward D")
  re: The best small serving frig (Ed Jones)
  Exaggeration ("A.J. deLange")
  Software Issues (Reply to Michael O'Donnell) (Alexandre Enkerli)
  Alcoholism & Genetics (Travis Dahl KE4VYZ)
  Asians and Alcohol ("John Bonney")
  Re: freezer paint chipping ("Pete Calinski")
  Alcoholic Genes (effects via ALDH, ADH, etc) (Calvin Perilloux)
  Crown Capper, beer consumption ("David Craft")
  Re: The best small serving frig (Wayne Clark)
  RE: smoking, CABA and alcoholism (Brian Lundeen)
  RE: Genes Nature v. Nurture (Michael Hartsock)
  Re: More pump stuff ("Kent Fletcher")
  RE: Brew Software ("Knight, Jason")
  Forgot to add my beer tally... ("Troy A. Wilson")
  Beer software ("Troy A. Wilson")
  Beer Drinkers Can't Be Alcoholics!?!?!?!? ("Chip Stewart")
  Alcoholic Jeans (Pat Babcock)
  Alc*ism ("Spencer W. Thomas")
  Keg Refrigerator ("Dave Larsen")
  Re: Wine During Prohibition ("Rob Dewhirst")
  Guide question from a lurker. ("redbeard47.ny")
  books/airlocks/aromatic cider/yeast cultivation/LME...? (Grant Family)
  Wine Barrels ("Hedglin, Nils A")
  Re:  The best small serving frig (Bruce Millington)
  re smoking ("john w")
  Pilsner Article ("Sweeney, David")

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:00:47 -0900 From: Teresa Knezek <teresa at mivox.com> Subject: OT: Re: Smoking On or thereabout 6/19/03, Todd Goodman spoke thusly: >...you both are confusing public areas (a courthouse for >example) and private areas where members of the public assemble (a bar >or restaurant.) I respectfully must say "bullshit" to that argument. I believe I should have the right to step into either a public area OR private establishment where members of the public assemble, and NOT be physically harmed by the actions of others. That argument is like saying I have the right to not be physically assaulted in a PUBLIC location, but as soon as I walk into a PRIVATE business, if the owner decides to allow his patrons to violently assault each other at will, I should accept that I may get my nose broken as a consequence of walking through the door. If you want to physically harm yourself in the privacy of your own home, vehicle, etc., I really don't care what kind of drugs you choose to do it with. But if you choose to use a drug that is reasonably believed to cause harm to non-using bystanders through the 'normal' mechanism of it's use, I strongly dispute any "right" you think you have to do it anywhere but your own property, in which members of the public are NOT generally invited to assemble. >Neither the bartender nor Teresa were chained to the bar as far as I >know. Nope. And most assault victims aren't chained to their attacker's fist, but you wouldn't argue someone has the right to go around taking swings at random people because the intended victims can run away if they don't want to be punched. ;-) - -- :: Teresa :: http://rant.mivox.com/ "You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not by the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists." -- Abbie Hoffman Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:25:55 +0800 From: "Edward D" <edwardd at dodo.com.au> Subject: re. obtaining convoluted copper tubing. and alchoholism Troy A. Wilson asks for advice on obtaining convoluted copper tubing. I have never seen the stuff myself but when I want unusual materials I tent to look for a user rather than a supplier. If you can find someone that uses the stuff and has about the amount you want left at the end of a 1000' role you may be able to get it. Depending on the persons attitude you may pay a premium or you may get it for a 6 pack of home brew. - ------ NO Spam. I am sorry to hear about your brother. And I hope he manages to control his problem soon. As to weather it is genetic or not considering your position it is unlikely that there is a strong genetic influence. People with no genetic predisposition can become alcoholics and people with the strongest of predispositions can avoid it (although perhaps only by never drinking alcohol). It is a contributing factor and one of a great many. If I was in your position however with an alcoholic brother and a possibly alcoholic grandfather I would regularly take weak or two of drinking for my own peas of mind. I actually do this anyway even though there are know alcoholics in my family (that I am aware of). Edward Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 04:54:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Jones <cuisinartoh at yahoo.com> Subject: re: The best small serving frig Danby makes a model that has the cooling plate on the back wall. You won't have to do any modifications to the cooling coils. Kenmore (Sears) also makes a model like this. The Danby model is the basis for their kegerator so you don't have any worries about drilling through the top to mount the tap tower. You can drill through the upper right corner (as seen from the front door) of the rear wall for a gas line. The kegerator I bought from them (half price at Home Depot) was designed to work with a pony keg. I converted it for corny use and can fit two ball-lock kegs inside. Good luck, Ed ===== Ed Jones - Columbus, Ohio U.S.A - [163.8, 159.4] [B, D] Rennerian "When I was sufficiently recovered to be permitted to take nourishment, I felt the most extraordinary desire for a glass of Guinness...I am confident that it contributed more than anything else to my recovery." - written by a wounded officer after Battle of Waterloo, 1815 Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:11:18 +0000 From: "A.J. deLange" <ajdel at cox.net> Subject: Exaggeration Yes, I suppose I should apologize for saying that the aboriginals of Australia universally suffer from alcoholism. It would have been more accurate to say that they suffer from it to an appalingly great extent. One need only observe conditions in the Todd riverbed after sundown or consider that the aboriginal leadership has established communities like Santa Teresa where alcohol is forbidden to the extent that your vehicle can be seized if you enter with alcohol in it to appreciate that alcohol is a problem of disproportionate magnitude for these people. But then again, so is petrol sniffing. A simplistic model is that if a people evolved with nothing to ferment (it's hard to ferment goanna or whale blubber, for example) they didn't evolve with the ability to produce the enzymes to allow alcohol to be metabolized. I have no idea whether people who study such things would agree or disagree with this model (of, if they agreed, whether the model is politically correct enough that they could say they agreeed). A.J. Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:00:33 -0300 From: Alexandre Enkerli <aenkerli at indiana.edu> Subject: Software Issues (Reply to Michael O'Donnell) DISCLAIMER: I'm just a relatively newbie brewer who "thinks about stuff" too much... [From Michael O'Donnell's private reply to my post on "ideal brewing software" ("Choosing Which to Brew (Alexandre Enkerli)" HBD#4274, June 18, 2003).] Michael said: > I use pro-mash, but it doesn't do as much for me as I'd hoped because > I am not trying to match any particular style. (Alex says) OTOH, ProMash and others can be used in different ways. They just seem to start from the premise of style-matching. > Mainly, I am trying to squeeze in enough time to brew and keep a > varied selection of homebrew in the fridge. Sounds like a common pattern and one which computer-based tools could facilitate. > I would also like one that took no-sparging well into account. [I thought this was already available, but Michael seems to think it's stretching it.] > going off your "inventory" boolean, I'd like to be able to look at > what I have on hand, then plot a recipe... This is one practice where software solutions should really help. Especially if you take the time to manage your inventory properly. > Are you thinking of programming something? Not being a coder, this would be hard but not impossible. > This sounds like a great program for people who like to brew, but > aren't caught up in the competition world. [Thanks!] Well, obviously, available programs do much more than helping in brewing competitions. I might be wrong but there does seem to be a need for a somewhat different approach to "beer computing"... Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:21:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Travis Dahl KE4VYZ <dahlt at umich.edu> Subject: Alcoholism & Genetics NO Spam wrote: > Nobody in this group is likely an alcoholic. That has recognized it and is actively seeking treatment? Probably not. > Alcoholics generally do not drink beer. This is just blatantly wrong! I have known _many_ people that were definitely alcoholics but drank mainly beer. (Think of all those people that go through a six pack of Bud Light every night.) An alcoholic doesn't necessarily just want to get drunk fast and cheap (although things like Milwaukee's Best and Natural Light are pretty cheap). (In fact, I would someone wanting to get drunk fast may indicate that there are additional issues involved.) They do want to drink though and they can't stop once they do. > I don't buy that my brother inherited any trait or > gene from a grandfather he never even knew. Inheritance of genes has absolutely nothing do with whether or not you knew the ancestor! (Think kids adopted from one ethnic group by parents of another. They might never have known their asian parents but they'll look asian because of the genes.) > Now why is that, if we both came from the same > family? Wouldn't I also have this alleged defective > gene? Maybe. Maybe not. I don't feel like giving a short course in Mendelian genetics, but if only one of your parents carried the gene, there is only a 50% chance that you would have. AND what people are sayng is that the gene only PREDISPOSES you to alcoholism. -Travis [1.8, 98.3] Apparent Rennerian Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:43:02 -0400 From: "John Bonney" <john at eostar.com> Subject: Asians and Alcohol Many Asians DO lack an enzyme that breaks down alcohol. The proof is in the pudding. Check out this study: http://www.acponline.org/journals/annals/01sep97/metabol.htm Search google, you'll find many articles relating to this. Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:43:11 -0400 From: "Pete Calinski" <pjcalinski at adelphia.net> Subject: Re: freezer paint chipping I have had a lot of luck with a product called Extend by Loctite. It comes in both brush-on and spray-on forms. It supposedly chemically converts rust to a substance that inhibits its spreading ability. I can usually find it in the Wal-Mart type stores in the automotive paint section. Sometimes it is also in the regular paint section. There are other brands also. They are usually characterized by the fact that the brush on version is a cream color that turns black on contact with rust. There is usually a caution that it will react with the iron in your skin and turn that black also. No real problem though, it sloughs off soon enough. Just make sure you coat all the rust and don't miss any. For example, if the rust has penetrated under near by paint, if you just coat the visible rust, the rust under the paint will keep going. I always scrape the paint away from the rust area to get to the bare metal. Then I coat the whole area. Hope this helps. Pete Calinski East Amherst NY Near Buffalo NY *********************************************************** *My goal: * Go through life and never drink the same beer twice. * (As long as it doesn't mean I have to skip a beer.) *********************************************************** Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:36:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Calvin Perilloux <calvinperilloux at yahoo.com> Subject: Alcoholic Genes (effects via ALDH, ADH, etc) Bill writes: "I don't buy that my brother inherited any trait or gene from a grandfather he never even knew. His home life wasn't much different from mine, either." Maybe spending his first 18 years living in the same house as Bill has driven the man to drink! OK, just kidding, that was evil and insensitive. For Matt Tolley: As for the link between Asians and others and alcohol intolerance, you can check info below. I noted in one source that "There is a vast literature...". Indeed. And the literature DOES show significant genetic difference, even influencing alcoholism in many researchers' opinions, but NOT as simple as a single cause/ gene/effect for the difference in alcohol tolerance. Simplified pathway for alcohol metabolism: via via Ethanol ------> Acetaldehyde ------> ()acetate ADH ALDH ADH = Alcohol Dehydrogenase ALDH = (Acet)aldehyde Dehydrogenase Many Japanese and Chinese have very HIGH levels of ADH, actually leading to radid processing of alcohol. Many East Asians, though, have very LOW levels of ALDH, leading to accumulations of acetaldehyde, and "bad" sensations. Combine these two, and drinking just ain't no fun, though you can surely show some major effects when you do drink (flushing, among other things). Europeans, American Indians, etc. all have differing levels of these things, depending on thir ethnic heritage and individual variation. There is also research into DRD4 dopamine receptor genes in some populations and other similar factors. Research seems ot have been done more with East Asians than American Indians, though, from what I found. I imagine a big problem can ensue for those who have low ADH and high ALDH. But that's rampant speculation on my own part, so it's better for you to peruse the hundreds of detailed studies on the topic if you want to get a feel for the (complicated) answers. For those uninterested in heavy detail on this topic, page down now! Protective association of genetic variation in alcohol dehydrogenase with alcohol dependence in Native American Mission Indians. "CONCLUSIONS: These results are consistent with genetic linkage studies showing protective associations for alcohol dependence and related behavior on chromosome 4 and suggest that ADH2 polymorphisms may account for these findings. " http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12505800&dopt=Abstract Alcohol Dehydrogenase and Alcohol Dependence - Variation in Genotype-Associated Risk between Populations: This shows significant variation in the genes associated with alcohol metabolism in Asians, yet the author states flat-out in this study that he cannot rule out social factors. http://info.med.yale.edu/genetics/kkidd/414.pdf "We discovered that Native American men had markedly diminished objective and subjective responses to ingestion of alcohol, a finding similar to what we found in white subjects at high risk for alcoholism." http://www.scripps.edu/research/sr2002/np07.html Alcohol Metabolism in Asian-American Men with Genetic Polymorphisms of Aldehyde Dehydrogenase: Increased levels of acetaldehyde are not reduced as quickly in some Asian genotypes, thus possibly mediating (!) alcohol intake! (Probably because they feel like he11.) Also interesting, and perhaps a whole 'nother can of worms: "Consequently, Asians with ALDH2*2 alleles who drink alcoholic beverages may be at lower risk for alcoholism but may be more vulnerable to organ damage caused by acetaldehyde." http://www.acponline.org/journals/annals/01sep97/metabol.htm "The flushing reaction has been linked to variants of genes for enzymes that are involved in the alcohol metabolism." "Liver alcohol dehydrogenase is an enzyme that many ethnic cultural groups lack, this presents a problem in their ability to digest alcohol. It started out with Asians and as they migrated, it passed on to the Eskimos, and to the American Indians. " q=cache:iN2QzO4LXrYJ:www3.vjc.edu/academics/faculty/bodnar_john/ bio420papers/adh.pdf+alcohol+dehydrogenase+asian&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 Some East Asians, in fact, might be "protected" from alcoholism by their inheritance of a less-active form of aldehyde-dehydrogenase: "When acetaldehyde is not rapidly converted to acetate the results are dramatic: a rapid increase in blood flow to the skin of the face, neck, and chest, rapid heartbeat, headache, nausea, and extreme drowsiness occur. As expected, this aversive reaction affects drinking behavior... and the mutant gene therefore serves as a protection against heavy drinking and alcoholism. " http://www.indiana.edu/~rcapub/v17n3/p18.html Enough. You can find hundreds more articles like these! Calvin Perilloux Middletown, Maryland, USA Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:49:21 -0400 From: "David Craft" <chsyhkr at bellsouth.net> Subject: Crown Capper, beer consumption Greetings, Does anyone sell a handheld crown capper for the larger crown caps? I hate to see champagne and lambic bottles go to waste..... As for how much beer do I consume, it depends on if I step on the scales! Brewing on, David Craft Greensboro, NC Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:44:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Clark <driftwoodtex at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: The best small serving frig A couple of years ago, I bought a fridge from a friend who was refurbishing a Wendy's. He had a couple of small fridges that fit under the counter. I bought one for $20, and it works perfectly as a beer fridge. The only drawback is that its tall enough to fit a pin-lock keg, but a ball-lock keg is too tall by about a half inch. You could probably find one at a restaurant supply store. Wayne [3643.3, 8.1] Apparent Rennerian Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:09:11 -0700 From: "Victor Franklin" <victorfranklin at cox.net> Subject: The best small serving frig I am getting ready to construct a built-in BBQ and eating area in my back yard. I will be adding the essential beer tap, as well. So, I am in the market for a small refrigerator I can put 2 to 3 corney kegs in and run my tap hoses out the top. Most of the under-counter refrigerators I have seen would only fit one (if that) corney keg in them. Does anyone know a brand and/or model of refrigerator that is good for this purpose? I am trying to avoid the high cost of the ready-made Kegerator type refrigerator. Any help is greatly appreciated. For the record, I am a 1-3 pint per night person of homebrew. If I run out, I am a 0-2 beers per night person. Best Regards, Victor Franklin Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:58:39 -0500 From: Brian Lundeen <BLundeen at rrc.mb.ca> Subject: RE: smoking, CABA and alcoholism Todd Goodman writes: > > Leaving aside the fact that many of these second-hand smoke > studies are fatally flawed you both are confusing public > areas (a courthouse for > example) and private areas where members of the public > assemble (a bar or restaurant.) And you know they are fatally flawed how? Because you are an expert in this field of study? Or because you came across some "analysis" written by people with an agenda in such a manner so as to provide justification in the minds of lay-people who already want to believe this is so? As for your distinction, every place is a place of work for somebody. Why do you consider it acceptable (or maybe you don't) to ban smoking in an office but not in a restaurant or bar? That is the thrust behind Winnipeg's all-inclusive smoking ban which takes effect July 1. It is there to protect the health of workers who must spend long hours in that environment. The argument is often made that many bar workers are smokers. Doesn't matter. The cumulative exposure to second hand smoke for hours at a time is worse than what many smokers would get from their own intake, or at the very least compounds the problem. The health issues aside, cigarettes fill the air with a horrid stench. Many smokers probably don't realize just how repulsive they smell. A smoker can enjoy a non-smoking environment. Many non-smokers can not enjoy a smoking environment. I would love to go out, have a drink and listen to some jazz in a bar. I can't, unless I want to spend the next day clearing my lungs out. On July 1, I will be able to go out and enjoy any venue. To me, that's personal freedom. Drew Avis writes: > > On another subject, the future of the Canadian Amateur > Brewers' Association has been the topic of debate at our > local club since the recent CABA newsletter came out. I > really haven't seen much discussion on the CABA forum, and it > sounds like the western clubs are not impressed, though their > participation in CABA has traditionally been limited. Any > thoughts out there on how to re-invent this organization? Is > it worth keeping? What are other Canadian clubs thinking? > BTW a copy of the newsletter article is posted at > http://www.homebrewers.ca/cabafuture.php . A few days ago, I read in the CABA newsletter that clubs had been contacted for feedback on this proposal. I sent an email out to every member of last year's and this coming year's Brew Bomber executive, and nobody had been contacted. I guess we just aren't important enough, or something. You think that kind of snub is going to get a favorable response? Well, I'm just speaking for myself now. Sometime soon, we (the executive) will be getting together to discuss this matter. CABA has always been a Toronto-Montreal centered organization. Little wonder the western clubs could care less about it. They say they want to give homebrew clubs across the country a chance to host their 3 major competitions. Well, let's see, how many clubs are going to get a shot at March in Montreal? All about Ales? This event has fizzled out as much as it has been held. The GCHC was barely able to run this past year. Both can be directly attributed to the overwhelming homebrewing apathy in the Toronto area. Now this Toronto organization wants to grant the favour of hosting their events to the rest of the country? If I was the AHA, I would simply pack up the Canadian qualifying event and move it from the GCHC to the Regina ALES club's competition. It's going through some growing pains, but at least there is participation and enthusiasm there. If that happens, who cares about the GCHC? CABA has yet to explain why their continued existence is even important. Their newletter is a pathetic little flyer. The first two of this year featured a reprint of a 10 year old article without any updating, and an article written entirely in French. Yeah, that's going to get the western clubs champing at the bit. Now someone is probably going to bring up that this is based on my personal dislike for a certain CABA member in Montreal. I don't doubt that is playing a part in my feelings. However, I also think that there are valid issues in my rant. In any case, I'm just one vote on the Brew Bomber executive. If we don't support the proposal, then there's more to it than just a personality conflict. Bill Wible writes: > > > And as far as my not knowing what I'm talking > about, let's just say that my own brother is > an alcoholic, and my family and I have been > putting up with it for quite some time. > > Now why is that, if we both came from the same > family? Wouldn't I also have this alleged defective > gene? > Bill, having personal experience with a problem is not the same as having knowledge of a problem. Enough evidence was presented to show that there is a genetic connection, but that genetics alone is not the sole determining factor. Best let this one go. Cheers Brian Lundeen Brewing at [819 miles, 313.8 deg] aka Winnipeg Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:58:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Hartsock <xd_haze at yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Genes Nature v. Nurture In reference to Pinker, you have to read beyond the title to think you know the thesis of his works. From Publisher's Weekly: Drawing on decades of research in the "sciences of human nature," Pinker, a chaired professor of psychology at MIT, attacks the notion that an infant's mind is a blank slate, arguing instead that human beings have an inherited universal structure shaped by the demands made upon the species for survival, albeit with plenty of room for cultural and individual variation. Pinker's work is not just titled "the blank slate" but rather, "The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature" The crux of Pinker's arguement is that genetic predispositions do not eliminate the influence of culture and environment ("nurture" if you will). Pinker's book is a critique of the cultural dogma that results from the engrained, Lockian notions of "tabula rosa" (the blank slate). This means that we can recognize the possibility of genetic predispositions towards alcoholism in a genetic cohort, while still realizing that environment (poverty, etc) are also powerful influences to such behavior. In short, Pinker does not support -S, et al. Mike University of Missouri-Columbia ===== "May those who love us, love us. And those that don't love us, May God turn their hearts. And if he doesn't turn their hearts, may he turn their ankles So we'll know them by their limping." Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:22:51 -0700 From: "Kent Fletcher" <kfletcher at socal.rr.com> Subject: Re: More pump stuff Parker needs a little help sorting out the specs on pumps for a HERMS: > Is there someone here using a Little Giant Pump, model 3-MDX, > 115V or a 3-MX-MDX? The Little Giant web page says the MDX > pumps can handle temps of 150 deg and have 1 foot of head > space (snip) That's one foot of head, not "head space." Head is a term used to measure resistance to flow caused by gravity, friction, or both. A foot of head is the force exerted by a column of water one foot tall. 2.31 feet of head = 1 psi. Note that this is for water, or a liquid with a SG of 1.000. Pumps are rated for delivered gpm or gph at x head. Pump spec charts typically show the capacity at several different amounts of head, and the "shut off," where 0 flow occurs. The 3MDX will pump 360 gph at 9 feet of head (and 0 at about 19). Thats 6 gallons per minute. Besides lifting the wort, in a HERMS application there is also considerable resistance to flow due to the coil and control devices. for example, a solenoid valve with a 1 psi drop across the valve adds 2.31 feet of head . So don't look at your rig and think: "I'm only lifting the wort 3 feet, so I can get a smaller pump." In the Little Giant line, the 3-MD-MT-HC is a much better choice because it is designed to handle 200 degree temps. The 3-MDX would PROBABLY work for you, at least for a while, but it will fail sooner than the HC series. You might want to try eBay, March and Little Giant mag drive pumps appear there fairly frequently. Hope that helps, Kent Fletcher Brewing in So Cal Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:31:17 -0500 From: "Knight, Jason" <jason-knight at uiowa.edu> Subject: RE: Brew Software I'm more of a server-whacker and JOAT than a software developer, but currently my magic bullet for these sort of things is MySQL for databases and PHP or Perl for web-interface, calculations, etc. Plus, it's free, cross-platform, and we can all pitch in. There's an example homebrewing database at www.phpgroupware.org (though it ain't yet something I would call useful). Brewing-wise, I guess you could call me an intermediate beginner: I don't really know all that's involved with sophisticated brewing software, but I'd love to take a whack at it. Gregory -- wanna collaborate? Jason Knight, Systems Analyst | You want it *WHAT*? University of Iowa | FIXED?!? Health Care IS | Perhaps you should talk to jason-knight at uiowa.edu | a Systems *SYNTHESIST*. Avid component of RFC2795 | I just break 'em. \insert{standard-disclaimer} Gregory Morris writes: > > Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:32:51 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Gregory D. Morris" <gmorris at literati.com> > Subject: Brew Software > > Well, as far as the software issue goes, I haven't found any > free software > for Mac OS X that really does what I want. As a software > developer, having > absolutely no time between work and brewing, have decided to > go ahead and > write a web-based brewing tool. Since I use a Mac at home, > and my brew > buddies use Windows, I need something cross-platform, so we > can all update > our brew data. > > Currently the most important part of my plan is to create a > database for > handling recipes. Conversion forms and such will probably be added as > well, since I always need them. > > I would be more than happy to take suggestions from HBD. If there are > specific features it should have let me know. > > > To reply to every other major thread at once: ~2 drinks a > day, ship bottles > if you want to, cascade is good, my local brew store is > great, the alcohol > content of my homebrew is always between 4 and 8 depending on > what I am > brewing. > > Gregory Morris > Web Developer > Literati > (304) 296-8026 ext.139 > gmorris at literati.com > > > Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:52:49 -0500 From: "Troy A. Wilson" <troy at troyandjulia.com> Subject: Forgot to add my beer tally... I'm on the road a lot, but when I'm home I drink 2-3 pints a day. Troy A. Wilson troy at troyandjulia.com There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary and those who don't. - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003 Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:49:26 -0500 From: "Troy A. Wilson" <troy at troyandjulia.com> Subject: Beer software I do like the idea of a recipe lookup based on the ingredients that you have available. There are many food and beverage recipe program available that do just that. You either maintain an inventory and then get a list of recipes that you can make based on your current inventory or you enter the ingredients that you have and get a list of recipes. In Pro-Mash there is already an inventory database present. Maybe if we asked nicely, the good people at Pro-Mash would look into adding a recipe search. Of course that might mean changing the way they store recipes. And that is my $.02 worth for the day. Troy A. Wilson troy at troyandjulia.com There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary and those who don't. - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003 Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:41:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chip Stewart" <Charles at thestewarts.com> Subject: Beer Drinkers Can't Be Alcoholics!?!?!?!? Great! So the guy lying on the street in front of my office who drinks three bottles of MD 20/20 a day is just a social drinker. I'm releived. And I was concerned about a buddy of mine who goes through a case of Bud per day, but now I need not worry. When it comes to asinine, inane commentary, you've really topped yourself this time, and that's a considerable feat! Chip Stewart Charles at TheStewarts.com http://Charles.TheStewarts.com Support anti-Spam legislation. Join the fight http://www.cauce.org On Wed, 18 Jun 2003,Bill Wibble enlightened us on the definitive test for alcoholism: > > Nobody in this group is likely an alcoholic. > Alcoholics generally do not drink beer. They > drink harder alcohol that gets them drunk quicker > and is easier for them to have access to and > even hide if they have to. An alcoholic just > wants to drink, and will not take the time to > brew beer, with 5% alcohol. Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:45:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Babcock <pbabcock at hbd.org> Subject: Alcoholic Jeans Greetings, Beerlings! Take me to your genetic counselor... First, I thought it was nothing. A Guinness stain here an Orval dribble there - could have been picked up anywhere at anytime. Then it started escalating. Disappearing for long hours into the night, to casually reappear to be just where you'd expect, innocently, nochalantly - giving no hint of what went on the night before. You'd try to think nothing of it, except for it had not been that way before. The smell of bar smoke, alcohol pervaded the very core. All attempts to be selective in comsumption finally fell away - no more Guinness or Orval or Two-Hearted Ale stains. Bud, Michelob, Heineken, Falstaff: any old beer would do. Beer can tabs and bottle labels in the pockets, bar match book covers, too. Then came the hard liquor as evidenced by the flask in the back pocket. An unbearable odor of urine and stains of spilled liquor everywhere. Tattered holes patched in Tartan plaid, brazenly traipsing through my brewery!!! Folks, I have alcoholic jeans. I've tried everything to seek counseling for them, I've even sent them to spend time with their maker, but to no avail - Levi Strauss could offer no succor to my poor, tortured jeans. And now my jeans have left me. I spent days searching the local Purple Heart, St. Vincent dePaul, and Salvation Army stores, but to no avail. They have apparently had enough of my care, my nagging desire to bring them home from this affliction, and they have gone the way of my favorite bowling shirt, comfortable sneakers, lucky fishing hat... Sorry, folks! Couldn't resist. Not a case of trying to make light of the issue, but definitely a case of trying to lighten the Digest... - -- - God bless America! Pat Babcock in SE Michigan pbabcock at hbd.org Home Brew Digest Janitor janitor@hbd.org HBD Web Site http://hbd.org The Home Brew Page http://hbd.org/pbabcock [18, 92.1] Rennerian "I don't want a pickle. I just wanna ride on my motorsickle" - Arlo Guthrie Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:47:30 -0400 From: "Spencer W. Thomas" <spencer at umich.edu> Subject: Alc*ism Bill, I am truly sorry to hear about your brother. I have been there (not my brother, but other close friends and relatives, some of whom are still drinking.) I can understand your anger and frustration. Alcoholism is a nasty, ugly disease. Its initial and primary effect is on the mind and behavior of the alcoholic. This is one reason that it feels different to us than other diseases. As the disease progresses, the person withdraws more and more from "the world" and becomes more and more focused on ONE thing: alcohol. Unfortunately and sadly, until the affected person "hits bottom" and becomes ready to change, almost all attempts at intervention will fail. Some people do not hit bottom before they die. Alcoholism IS a fatal disease, if not treated. But, you make some statements that are simply not true: 1. Alcoholics don't drink beer. This is an old "momily". Yes, some alcoholics prefer harder forms of alcohol. But my experience is that each alcoholic has their preferred form of imbibing (their "drug of choice" as it is often called.) I know plenty of alcoholics who drank nothing but beer by choice. 2. "Probably nobody on this list is an alcoholic." One of the best homebrewers I knew, and someone who made huge contributions to the hobby and to this forum, is an alcoholic. He recognized this and "got clean" a few years ago. 3. If you have the "same genes" as your brother why are you not an alcoholic? Do you look the same as your brother? Do you have the same eye color? Do you have the same hair? Are you the same height? All of these are clearly genetically influenced, but you don't expect them to be the same, do you? Same with an genetically inherited susceptibility to alcoholism. And it is clear that environment has a lot to do with whether the disease develops in a susceptible person. I have found that, FOR ME, understanding that alcoholism is a disease, and that it CAN be treated (never cured, but in many cases successfully treated) really helped me to reduce my anger at those close to me with this disease. Should I be angry at someone who gets cancer? Well, if they smoked all their life, maybe. :-) But still not in the same way that I have been angry at the alcoholics in my life. I have found (some) relief in the Al-Anon program. It is a 12-step program that helps me to live my life, and to deal with the anger and other feelings that I had and have towards the alcoholics in my life. It didn't teach me how to "cure" the disease, but my life is better because of it. Plus, it's a LOT cheaper than therapy, and probably more effective. =Spencer Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:53:20 +0000 From: "Dave Larsen" <hunahpumonkey at hotmail.com> Subject: Keg Refrigerator About a year ago, I purchased a small Kenmore refrigerator at Sears that is the perfect size to hold two corny kegs. It does not have a clunky freezer at the top that gets in the way it like most small refrigerators. I swear, it is almost like it was made to hold two cornies. It comes in black or stainless steel. I picked it up on sale for under 200 bones. I'm out of town on business, so I can't go home to tell you exactly what model it is, but just I did some searching around www.sears.com and I'm pretty sure it was this one: http://www.sears.com/sr/product/details/productdetails.jsp?prod_id=04691499000 Dave Tucson, AZ Victor wrote: > >I am getting ready to construct a built-in BBQ and eating area in my back >yard. I will be adding the essential beer tap, as well. So, I am in the >market for a small refrigerator I can put 2 to 3 corney kegs in and run my >tap hoses out the top. Most of the under-counter refrigerators I have seen >would only fit one (if that) corney keg in them. > >Does anyone know a brand and/or model of refrigerator that is good for this >purpose? > Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:19:12 -0500 From: "Rob Dewhirst" <rob at hairydogbrewery.com> Subject: Re: Wine During Prohibition > Homebrewing(?) wine was legalized shortly after the repeal of > prohibition in 1933. A highly ambiguous, anomalous, and debated section of the Volstead Act allowed "nonintoxicating cider and fruit juices exclusively for home use". For the most part this allowed legal wine and hard cider production at home during Prohibition. It was widely intepreted that the exemption for this was unnecessary if "non-intoxicating" really meant "non-alcoholic". Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:59:55 -0400 From: "redbeard47.ny" <redbeard47.ny at netzero.net> Subject: Guide question from a lurker. Just a quick question, I won a trip with a guide, how much is normal to tip? I don't even know what he usually charges. Bob. Beer, it's not just for breakfast anymore! Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:01:47 +1000 From: Grant Family <grants at netspace.net.au> Subject: books/airlocks/aromatic cider/yeast cultivation/LME...? Hi, I'm new, so here are my newbie questions: 1) I've found Palmer's How to Brew (online), how does it compare to other books? I find it fantastic from a fairly naive point of view... 2) I've been brewing my first beer with my new 23L (5 gallon) setup. But how does one take periodical SG readings without having air sucked in through the air lock? This is a rhetorical question, obviously, because it's kind of impossible isn't it? If so, does the air you let in matter much? 3) My first foray into home brewing was some (hard) cider in tiny 1/2 gallon batches. I more recently conducted some cold fermentations (~40F) with the stuff (fresh apple juice; one batch with champagne yeast/one with wild yeasts) and found that once it had fermented dry, the brew was still very acidic and wonderfully aromatic. Is this because the temperature delayed malo-lactic (secondary) fermentation as I have read...? And why is it so fragrant? 4) Seeing as I'm only one guy, and 48 bottles of beer is a lot to get through, each batch will last me a while... if I wanted to cultivate a particular yeast, how would I keep it? Fridge? Do I try to dry it? etc. etc... 5) What's the difference between the malty goo that comes with a kit (e.g. Coopers Draught, which I'm brewing now) and LME that you buy separately? Is it just that the kits are always hopped? p.s. I'm using imperial just for you yanks! God bless Australia too. thanks----------------------------------------stuart grant, pseudo-zymurgist. Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:19:53 -0700 From: "Hedglin, Nils A" <nils.a.hedglin at intel.com> Subject: Wine Barrels Hi, I have the ability to get 60 gallon used wine barrels. Can these be used for aging? I know bourbon barrels are frequently used, but I wasn't sure if the same would work with wine. Thanks Nils Hedglin Sacramento, CA [1978.7, 275.3] Apparent Rennerian In Heaven there is no beer, that's why we drink it here, And when we're gone from here, our friends will be drinking all the beer. Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:56:51 -0400 From: Bruce Millington <bmillington2 at comcast.net> Subject: Re: The best small serving frig Victor, I would suggest buying a 7.0 cubic foot chest freezer with an external thermostat. You can run the hoses through the lid and put on a three faucet tower. You can get the chest freezer at Sam's Club (no affiliation) for $160, and the thermostat at most homebrew shops for around $40. Bruce Millington Marlton, NJ Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:24:11 -0500 From: "john w" <j2saret at hotpop.com> Subject: re smoking Todd Goodman <tsg at bonedaddy.net> Makes many false claims about the freedom of business owners to do harmful things. I've taken my reply off post as it has become too political to include much about brewing. Suffice to say he is wrong in 99% of his particulars. John >From Mn where the tobbacco industries own concealed studies were forced from hiding and their evil shown to the world. Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:15:45 -0500 From: "Sweeney, David" <David at studentlife.tamu.edu> Subject: Pilsner Article In HBD 4240. Shawn Scott wrote; >>>I'm the culprit responsible for the Zymurgy article you quoted, and would be glad to add a few extra comments. The Schmitz process is briefly mentioned in volume 1 of De Clerck's "A Textbook of Brewing"...<<< OK. I've made the Pride of Plzen following your recipe and process (double decoction using Schmitz). This Saturday is the 12th day of primary. I found out today that my kids left my fermentation frig door open and my core temperature is 68F (this is the 10th day of primary). I'm rationalizing to myself that this will just help reduce diacetyl, rather than admit it's a mistake. I'm dropping it back down to 50F. I've frozen 2 qts. of wort from the original boil to use in "krausening." I want to bottle half the batch and keg the other half of the batch. Here's my question: If I add the "krausening" addition to my secondary corny as per your instructions, can I then bottle half of the batch off of the corny the same day and then secondary ferment both halfs according to your instructions (reduce 1 degree per day for 10 days then drop to 34F for 4 weeks)? In other words, will my carbonation be correct if I add 1qt to the 5 gal.? If not, how much should I add? The OG of the wort is 1.048. David Sweeney Texas Aggie Brew Club david at studentlife dot tamu dot edu Return to table of contents
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