HOMEBREW Digest #682 Thu 18 July 1991

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		Rob Gardner, Digest Coordinator

  Cheap 10-Gallon Steel Brew Kettles (Art Medlar)
  Wanted: Weisse beer recipe/hints (RJS153)
  Peristaltic pumps ("Spencer W. Thomas")
  microbrew/brewpub (Russ Gelinas)
  Re: Walnut Brewery Alternate Opinion (Greg Kushmerek)
  Stupid Question (TM) (Richard Stueven)
  Re: Brewing software (Mike Tavis)
  sparging (Brian Bliss)
  Re: Homebrew Digest #681 (July 17, 1991) (Michelle H. Teng)
  Cheap Brew Kettles (C.R. Saikley)
  re: 3 Gallon Kegs (fse)
  Re: Homebrew Digest #681 (July 17, 1991) ("One slip, and down the hole we fall")
  Steam beer ("Randy Pals")
  There he goes again... ("DRCV06::GRAHAM")
  Water, water everywhere... (Tom Dimock)
  Re: Homebrew Digest #681 (July 17, 1991) ("The only way to get rid of tempatation is to yield to it-O.Wilde")

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 00:09:41 -0700 From: Art Medlar <hman at violet.berkeley.edu> Subject: Cheap 10-Gallon Steel Brew Kettles So, after three months of reading this digest and getting my nerve up, I've finally Made the First Batch. Five gallons of Bite Outta the Sun Brown Ale, brewed near enough to the eclipse to warrant the name, are now sitting around waiting to be drunk. And so am I. While I was collecting the necessary equipment, I decided to get the biggest brew pot I could find, under the assumption that the bigger the pot, the more beer that can fit into it. If you don't live in the general San Francisco area, the rest of this note won't be immediately relevant, but it might give you a clue toward finding similar pots in your own area. The clue is "Chinatown". Here in SF, Chinatown is the epicenter of Big Pots. There are at least half a dozen shops selling a vast variety of humongo cookware. Price, quality, and material bear no linear relation to each other. I spent a Saturday shopping around, and found the best deal at Ying's on the south-east corner of Stockton and Pacific streets, on Stockton (there's actually some sort of housing project *at* the intersection, but it's first shop past it). Ten gallons, stainless(?) steel, with a lid, for $42. Of course, this isn't weapons grade material, but it's not real flimsy either. In fact, just this morning I used it to stand on to get the parakeet down off the chandelier, with no ill effects to bird or kettle. It straddles two gas burners on the stove; five gallons of cold water heat to boiling in a little under half an hour. I've seen what appears to be the same pot (it's way up on a shelf, can't tell for sure) for $48 at a fruit and vegetable market near my house. Evergreen Market, east side of Mission street between 21st and 22nd, directly across the street from the New Mission Theatre. So maybe "the Latin-American part of town" is another clue. Now if someone could tell me where to get some cheap carboys.... Flaschbier!, - --art Return to table of contents
Date: 17 Jul 91 09:01:32 EST From: RJS153%SYSU at ISS1.AF.MIL Subject: Wanted: Weisse beer recipe/hints Hi All! Well, I guess I'm officially a homebrewer now. Me and a buddy started my first batch of bree this weekend. We used the Mutton & Fison English Ale extract kit. It came lightly hopped, but we added a little fresh hops for more bitterness and a little more near the end of the wort boiling for aroma. I'm using a 5 gal carboy with a blowoff tube for the initial fermentation. Those little ale yeast suckers were working like mad the first 20-24 hours. Things slowed down a bit now, so I'm going to put on the air lock. Next time I'd like to go all malt, but this time I used about 1lb of corn sugar to the 3.3lbs of extract. Is there a safely consistent cup per pound ratio for corn sugar? That was our only confusion. We had a food scale, but I wouldn't swear to its accuracy. Anyway, on to the real subject. My buddy has decided to join in also, and we would like to try a wheat/weisse beer. Does anyone have a good recipe for such a brew? We're still beginners so we can only handle extracts for our malt ingredients, no actual grains yet. Thanks and I'll tell you how things turn out! - --Randy-- Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 09:20:53 EDT From: "Spencer W. Thomas" <Spencer.W.Thomas at med.umich.edu> Subject: Peristaltic pumps If you live near a university or medical school, you might check to see if they have a "property redistribution" facility. This is where all the old, tired equipment gets sent to make a few bucks for the school, instead of just throwing it out. You can frequently pick up this sort of thing for a few cent on the dollar. =Spencer W. Thomas HSITN, U of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 spencer at med.umich.edu 313-747-2778 Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1991 9:33:19 EDT From: R_GELINAS at UNHH.UNH.EDU (Russ Gelinas) Subject: microbrew/brewpub I had the chance to go to the Portsmouth Brewery (NH) over my (much-too-short) vacation. It's owned and run by the same person who does the Northampton Brewery (MA), Peter something, according to the waitress, who also knew very little about any of the beer. The beer was 2 lagers, light and brown, and 2 ales, wheat and brown. I had the browns. Both were good, but not "Wow this is great!". But the place is very new (and yuppie-styled, to be expected in downtown Portsmouth), so the beer is pretty commendable for such a new place. And serving lagers is a nice change from the standard brewpup-ale syndrome. Beer was affordable, but food was a little pricey (again, that's Portsmouth). I'm looking forward to checking it out again in a couple of months. Should be much-needed addition to the area. On the other hand, I've heard mixed to bad reviews of Three-Dollar-Dewey's own beer. They're new at it though, so it might improve....... On the subject of brewpubs/microbreweries, does anyone have any ballpark dollar figures on what it takes to start up a brewpub? A microbrewery? Russ (no new kid yet....) Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1991 09:33 EDT From: Greg Kushmerek <GKUSHMER at RUBY.TUFTS.EDU> Subject: Re: Walnut Brewery Alternate Opinion Ms. Zenter posted: >>With regard to the Walnut Brewery in Boulder...... >>They have a beautiful atmosphere and the grilled chicken sandwich I had >>was delicious. I tried their sample set of six beers >>(about 4 oz. each) and enjoyed all of them. They had just >>premiered their Jazzberry Ale (a wheat-type beer with some raspberries >>included in the recipe) and really wanted to try one, but they were out. >>The hostess was quite charming, and stopped by my booth several times to >>ask what I thought of the beers and to tease me about getting sloshed by >>my lonesome. The staff was very efficient and courteous. Prices were >>quite reasonable. I would highly recommend a visit. >>Still, my palate does get around, and while >>none of the beers at Walnut were "jump up and down" spectacular, I thought >>they were all well done. What I had posted essentially said that the Wyncoop brewery in Denver is a better microbrewery to visit should one want to drink beer. Now if one would like to have a pleasant atmosphere and a pint of something besides the regular mass-produced beer, then the Walnut Brewery is fine. Then again, there are several other places on the Pearl Street Mall with a pleasant atmosphere, good food, and decent beer - Boulder Beer, Anchor Steam, Sam Adams, and the Very Large International Selection at Old Chicagos. I stand by my comments that the Wyncoop has better tasting beer. I do agree that the Walnut Brewery is a nice place to visit, but so are a number of other places on the Mall and in Boulder. When I visited the Walnut Brewery, I was impressed with the crowd, the service, and the setting (never ate the food) but found the beer a disappointment compared to what else is available locally. I'm not saying "avoid the place like the plague." I am saying "don't set your beer hopes too high." Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 06:58:40 PDT From: Richard.Stueven at Corp.Sun.COM (Richard Stueven) Subject: Stupid Question (TM) In HBD #681, Martin Lodahl wrote: >It only took about 10 days (and some premature hot weather) to >produce decided ropiness, so I pitched the Brettanomyces. Maybe I'm just slow on the uptake, but what's "rope"? I've seen the term in a number of places, but I've never been able to figure out what it means... thx...I owe you a homebrew. gak I guess there's some things | Seems like the more I think I know I'm not meant to understand | The more I find I don't Ain't life a riot? Ain't love grand? | Every answer opens up so many questions Richard Stueven gak at Corp.Sun.COM ...!attmail!gak Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 10:48:12 edt From: mtavis at saturn.hyperdesk.com (Mike Tavis) Subject: Re: Brewing software Darryl Okahata (not the one who makes printers) writes: > Going on to another topic ... > > In the 1990 special issue of Zymurgy, Jackie Rager presented some > equations for calculating IBUs, given weight, alpha %, time, volume, > etc.. If anyone's interested, I've programmed the HP 48SX calculator > with these equations, and you can now calculate any one of the following > five parameters, given any four of them... This is a great idea. Has anyone done this in a more portable fashion like for a spreasdsheet (e.g. 123 , Excel) or even in C? I was planning on getting around to writing it someday, but hopefully someone has beaten me to it. Thanks. - -- Mike o o| Michael Tavis, HyperDesk Corporation o o| Suite 300, 2000 West Park Dr., Westboro, MA 01581 ---+ E-mail: mike_t at hyperdesk.com (508) 366-5050 Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 10:49:44 CDT From: bliss at csrd.uiuc.edu (Brian Bliss) Subject: sparging Well, on monday I tried to make my second all-grain batch, and indeed, sparging is my low point. I recirculated for a half hour, and it never ran clear. I finally gave up and when I started pouring hot water over the top of the grains, it started to run clear, so I recirculated some of the muddy stuff again, and the runoff got muddy again. I consequently didn't use enough water after this, and probably left too much goodies in the grain. got an efficiency of .016 or .017 pts/lb of grain for 10 lb pale ale malt, 3 lb munich, 2 lb wheat. The gains were ground as coarse as I could get them. What I finally did was just let the runooff sit for 3 hours in a fermenter, and all the husks settled to the bottom 3/4". This worked great! I then racked off the clear wort. I have (had) never seen wort of such clarity. Not only that, but I found the "purer" wort to be much less volitaile during the boil, and got an excellent cold break. Next time I'll try 6-row lager malt (I think the 2-row malt, with the finer husks is the culprit), and stick a grain bag in the sparge bucket. If I still have to resort to letting the runoff settle, It will become part of my standard technique. bb Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 09:19:20 PDT From: michelle at cobalt.cco.caltech.edu (Michelle H. Teng) Subject: Re: Homebrew Digest #681 (July 17, 1991) PLEASE STOP SENDING ME ANY MORE OF YOUR E-MAIL. Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 09:59:12 PDT From: grumpy!cr at uunet.UU.NET (C.R. Saikley) Subject: Cheap Brew Kettles I have a friend who just got a good deal on a brew kettle, so I thought I'd pass this along. He got a 10 gallon stainless steel kettle for $39. It's big enough to fit over two burners on the kitchen stove. He bought it at Ying's, which is at the corner of Pacific and Stockton in San Francisco's China Town. Not exactly a homebrew supply shop, and I doubt that they mail order, but if you live in a city with a China Town you might want to check there for good deals on kettles. CR Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 10:23:21 MST From: teroach!fse at phx.mcd.mot.com Subject: re: 3 Gallon Kegs Bob was saying: >I just checked into the 3 gallon kegs advertised in the Summer 1991 >flyer from Foxx. > >They are Used, Ball lock tanks. > >Both Denver and Kansas City are out of stock, but Kansas expects an >order in about a week, and Kansas City supplies Denver. > >Price is $28.66 each. No discounts for large orders. >One might get a savings on the shipping cost of large orders. (?) > >Kansas City: 800-821-2254. Denver: 800-425-2484. > >Cheers, I just thought I'd mention to those that may not have thought of this: Check your local scap yards and salvage companies! I stopped into "Davis Salvage" here in Phoenix and they have A LOT of 5 gallon Cornelius and Firestone tanks (ball lock). I poked around and found a few _10_ gallon tanks too! The 10 gallon tanks go for around $198 in Fox and I picked up one (used of course, but in great shape) for.... $20! The 5 gallon tanks go for $8! (I grabbed a couple of them too). It's a filthy task, scrounging around in the mountains of scrap, but it was worth it! Stan Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1991 14:43 EDT From: "One slip, and down the hole we fall" <ACSWILEY%EKU.BITNET at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Subject: Re: Homebrew Digest #681 (July 17, 1991) Hi Brewfreaks! Well after cooking up my first 2 batches. Both of which were great. I think I may have screwed up the batch I cooked up last night. It was my first try using liquid yeast. Anywho. I read the label on the yeast package about breaking the seal and neadinn the package. I went ahead and combined the ingreadients cooked em. but about two thirds of the way through I noticed on the yeast package that it said it would need a day or two to incubate. Woops! I went ahead chilled the wort and tossed it into the carboy. (I know now i should have sat the pot in the fridge and re boiled) but I went ahead and pitched the yeast anyway put the stopper on the carboy and let it sit. Ok my question is what are the chances that this batch will turn out allright? Should I go ahead and toss it out or should I wait and see what happens. BTW its a pale ale. I payed close attention at maintaining a clean environment. Your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks! Bill acswiley at eku.bitnet Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 08:26:34 CDT From: "Randy Pals" <hplabs!kpc!uunet!inland.com!pals> Subject: Steam beer There has been a lot of discussion and praise of Anchor Steam in the group lately, I thought I'd add that there is a similar beer being brewed in Chicago call Legacy Lager. It is an amber lager, quite hoppy. It is only distributed locally, but if you're in the area, give it a try. I drink very little commercial beer anymore, but a friend of mine who was pining away for Anchor Steam tried Legacy at my suggestion and was delighted. Randy Pals pals at inland.com Return to table of contents
Date: 17 Jul 91 15:51:00 EDT From: "DRCV06::GRAHAM" <graham%drcv06.decnet at drcvax.af.mil> Subject: There he goes again... At this point, I expect a "no" answer, but did anyone ever get a complete copy of #667. There were a couple of articles in the contents that sounded interesting that never made it because of truncation. One of them was another review of the AHA fest in Manchewster. I've been on vacation for a few days, but never got even a bite from my previous request. Oh well, guess it's in a black hole in Ursa Minor. Well, to make up for it, I found Anchor Steam in a store down in Mass. I wanted a case, but the $10 per sixer caught me up short. Anyone know where I can get it for less in Mass or new Hampshire? Dan "Beer made with the Derry Air." Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 16:11:58 EDT From: Tom Dimock <RGG at CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu> Subject: Water, water everywhere... I have some water questions for y'all. I live in the country, and have two wells. Well A has hard water, with enough iron to turn my particle filter red in two months. Well B is also hard, and has enough sulphur to turn its particle filter black in two months. My brewing choices are well a, well B straight, or well B softened by a water softener. What should I do? I have heard that iron is toxic to yeast - is that true, and if so is there a reasonable way to remove it? Also, does anyone have addresses for test kits or reasonably priced labs to get better details on my waters? ==> Tom Dimock <== RGG at Cornellc.cit.cornell.edu Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1991 21:29 EST From: "The only way to get rid of tempatation is to yield to it-O.Wilde" Subject: Re: Homebrew Digest #681 (July 17, 1991) PLease remove my name from the homebrew mailing list. Thanks, Chrisw at earlham Return to table of contents
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